• Tales of the Necromancer

    From Vlk-451@VERT/NECROBBS to Arelor on Monday, October 26, 2020 14:17:51
    Re: Tales of the Necromancer
    By: Arelor to Bob Roberts on Sun Oct 25 2020 11:10 am

    ... This tagline's just for you.


    You get an A for effort.

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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/NECROBBS to Moondog on Monday, October 26, 2020 14:19:13
    Re: Tales of the Necromancer
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Oct 25 2020 04:37 pm

    Some concepts are not as creative as people think. Back in the 60's and 70's (and maybe later) TV show writers would reject or refuse to read viewer submitted scripts due to providing royalties for story ideas. I recall hearing on the commentary track for the Star Trek Animated Series, David Gerrold would get script submissions on the streets, and he'd also get confronted by people he never met about claims he took their scripts. The fun ny thing was many of the ideas he had pitched to him were either in the works, or there was a variation of that story line comes up for discussion every season.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Vlk-451 on Monday, October 26, 2020 20:37:32
    Re: Tales of the Necromancer
    By: Vlk-451 to Arelor on Mon Oct 26 2020 02:17 pm

    Re: Tales of the Necromancer
    By: Arelor to Bob Roberts on Sun Oct 25 2020 11:10 am

    ... This tagline's just for you.


    You get an A for effort.

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    gopher://gopher.operationalsecurity.es

    What in the hell uses gopher protocol? How many obscure layers deep does it Where does it end?


    Well, for starters, Lynx, the popular text mode browser, supports gopher.

    You can also operate gopher over pure telnet if you feel so inclined. I don't recommend it :-P

    Also there are dedicated clients like cgo and such.

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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/INREALM to Arelor on Monday, October 26, 2020 23:34:31
    Re: Tales of the Necromancer
    By: Arelor to Vlk-451 on Mon Oct 26 2020 08:37 pm

    Well, for starters, Lynx, the popular text mode browser, supports gopher.

    You can also operate gopher over pure telnet if you feel so inclined. I don't recommend it :-P

    Also there are dedicated clients like cgo

    So if you can open and operate gopher over a telnet client, I'm assuming the reason you wouldn't being gopher having some kind of 'enhanced' or special functionality. Must have been something to do with UNIX systems.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Vlk-451 on Tuesday, October 27, 2020 03:52:52
    Re: Text Based Web Browsing
    By: Vlk-451 to Arelor on Mon Oct 26 2020 11:34 pm

    Re: Tales of the Necromancer
    By: Arelor to Vlk-451 on Mon Oct 26 2020 08:37 pm

    Well, for starters, Lynx, the popular text mode browser, supports gopher.

    You can also operate gopher over pure telnet if you feel so inclined. I don't recommend it :-P

    Also there are dedicated clients like cgo

    So if you can open and operate gopher over a telnet client, I'm assuming the reason you wouldn't being gopher having some kind of 'enhanced' or special functionality. Must have been something to do with UNIX systems.


    Well, at some point you are going to want to download files and such from the gopher server, and you can't really do that with telnet out of the box. The protocol is not designed to be used via telnet, it is just that you can do it in a pitch :-)

    It is not exactly a UNIX-only thing. It is more like an http or ftp predecessor. In fact, it helps to think of it as http without cookies and headers and connection multiplexing or anything.

    The real deal with gopher is that the protocol is so simple that you can write your own gopher-sites and services with scary ease, and keep the whole thing extremely lightweight for both the user and the administrator.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Moondog on Tuesday, October 27, 2020 08:56:00
    Moondog wrote to MRO <=-

    Some concepts are not as creative as people think. Back in the 60's
    and 70's (and maybe later) TV show writers would reject or refuse to
    read viewer submitted scripts due to providing royalties for story
    ideas. I recall hearing on the commentary track for the Star Trek Animated Series, David Gerrold would get script submissions on the streets, and he'd also get confronted by people he never met about
    claims he took their scripts. The fun ny thing was many of the ideas
    he had pitched to him were either in the works, or there was a
    variation of that story line comes up for discussion every season.

    Then there's the problem we have today with copyrighted works that are simply no longer published. Before Disney, etc. extended Copyright way past the originally intended 28 years, those works fell into the public domain, making it much easier for people to view them.

    And, for authors, to read the authors that came before them.


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  • From anthk@VERT to Arelor on Tuesday, October 27, 2020 19:12:00
    Arelor wrote to Vlk-451 <=-

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    Re: Tales of the Necromancer
    By: Vlk-451 to Arelor on Mon Oct 26 2020 02:17 pm

    Re: Tales of the Necromancer
    By: Arelor to Bob Roberts on Sun Oct 25 2020 11:10 am

    ... This tagline's just for you.


    You get an A for effort.

    --
    gopher://gopher.operationalsecurity.es

    What in the hell uses gopher protocol? How many obscure layers deep does it Where does it end?


    Well, for starters, Lynx, the popular text mode browser, supports
    gopher.

    You can also operate gopher over pure telnet if you feel so inclined. I don't recommend it :-P

    Also there are dedicated clients like cgo and such.

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    On telnet, you can use nc:

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Vlk-451 on Tuesday, October 27, 2020 15:26:20
    Re: Text Based Web Browsing
    By: Vlk-451 to Arelor on Mon Oct 26 2020 11:34 pm

    Re: Tales of the Necromancer
    By: Arelor to Vlk-451 on Mon Oct 26 2020 08:37 pm

    Well, for starters, Lynx, the popular text mode browser, supports gopher.

    You can also operate gopher over pure telnet if you feel so inclined. I don't recommend it :-P

    Also there are dedicated clients like cgo

    So if you can open and operate gopher over a telnet client, I'm assuming the reason you wouldn't being gopher having some kind of 'enhanced' or special functionality. Must have been something to do with UNIX systems.

    Most TCP protocols can be operated via Telnet (or rather, a raw TCP connection, e.g. netcat). That doesn't mean you *want* to (e.g. send an email, download a file via http), but it's possible.
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  • From anthk@VERT to Digital Man on Tuesday, October 27, 2020 20:02:01
    Re: Text Based Web Browsing
    By: Digital Man to Vlk-451 on Tue Oct 27 2020 03:26 pm


    There's a gopher client built around netcat, echo and less:

    nago.sh

    https://github.com/hb9kns/nago

    It works well.


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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/HAVENS to anthk on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 13:46:06
    Re: Text Based Web Browsing
    By: anthk to Digital Man on Tue Oct 27 2020 08:02 pm

    Re: Text Based Web Browsing
    By: Digital Man to Vlk-451 on Tue Oct 27 2020 03:26 pm

    There's a gopher client built around netcat, echo and less:

    nago.sh
    https://github.com/hb9kns/nago

    It works well.

    Entirely in terminal. I still need to switch OSs before I consider any software like that.
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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/INREALM to Digital Man on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 12:30:02
    Re: Text Based Web Browsing
    By: Digital Man to Vlk-451 on Tue Oct 27 2020 03:26 pm

    Most TCP protocols can be operated via Telnet (or rather, a raw TCP connection, e.g. netcat). That doesn't mean you *want* to (e.g. send an email, download a file via http), but it's possible.

    I'm still working on that whole security thing. I'm a bit new to all this, I'm still trying to wean myself off modern windows. I got a ton of old to me boards I wana start with. It's been 7 or so years since I've touched any other OS. Let alone browsed outside of https://

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to anthk on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 18:44:55
    Re: Text Based Web Browsing
    By: anthk to Digital Man on Tue Oct 27 2020 08:02 pm

    Re: Text Based Web Browsing
    By: Digital Man to Vlk-451 on Tue Oct 27 2020 03:26 pm


    There's a gopher client built around netcat, echo and less:

    nago.sh

    https://github.com/hb9kns/nago

    It works well.


    -- Unix junkie --


    Thanks for that link. You are the hero of the week!

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dr. What on Tuesday, October 27, 2020 06:58:00
    Dr. What wrote to Moondog <=-

    Then there's the problem we have today with copyrighted works that are simply no longer published. Before Disney, etc. extended Copyright way past the originally intended 28 years, those works fell into the public domain, making it much easier for people to view them.

    Kill the Mouse.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Tuesday, October 27, 2020 07:01:00
    Arelor wrote to Vlk-451 <=-

    It is not exactly a UNIX-only thing. It is more like an http or ftp predecessor. In fact, it helps to think of it as http without cookies
    and headers and connection multiplexing or anything.

    Reminds me of the old days with FTP indexes and text rendered in the
    browser. Simpler, lightweight times. Lightweight, like running a
    company on a 56k leased line lightweight.

    The real deal with gopher is that the protocol is so simple that you
    can write your own gopher-sites and services with scary ease, and keep
    the whole thing extremely lightweight for both the user and the administrator.

    Too bad someone hasn't created a gopher proxy module for NGINX. I'd
    like to be able to proxy gopher via HTTP locally instead of using one
    of the external gateways.



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, October 29, 2020 11:01:02
    Re: Re: Text Based Web Browsing
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Tue Oct 27 2020 07:01 am

    Too bad someone hasn't created a gopher proxy module for NGINX. I'd
    like to be able to proxy gopher via HTTP locally instead of using one
    of the external gateways.

    I think pygopherd supports serving both http and gopher from the same directory.

    That said, I think that defeats the purpose.

    My own gophersite is a pseudomirror of my website. It is generated via scripts. The gophersite has more goodies than the website though, like software downloads.

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  • From anthk@VERT to Arelor on Thursday, October 29, 2020 17:59:00
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    Re: Text Based Web Browsing
    By: anthk to Digital Man on Tue Oct 27 2020 08:02 pm

    Re: Text Based Web Browsing
    By: Digital Man to Vlk-451 on Tue Oct 27 2020 03:26 pm


    There's a gopher client built around netcat, echo and less:

    nago.sh

    https://github.com/hb9kns/nago

    It works well.


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    Thanks for that link. You are the hero of the week!

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    A similar client exists for the Gemini protocol, from some Gopher
    entusiasts, bollux. But that needs bash, and not everyone has it.
    But it works. You need {open,libre}ssl, netcat, less, and bash.
    That's it. Simple and easy.
    Look up "bollux gemini client" at ddg/google.

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