The coil stop is broken on my 1957 Williams Baseball Relay Bank.
http://www.pbresource.com/relay/wll-c5507.jpg
PBR had one in stock, B-5499 1793.
I did not look carefully enough before I ordered and received the replacement. But on mine, the old one is apparently welded to the relay bank itself.
I tried drilling out the holes, then using a screwdriver to try to break
the weld. No luck.
Any suggestions?
On 2020/06/27 7:06 a.m., LexingtonVAPin wrote:
The coil stop is broken on my 1957 Williams Baseball Relay Bank.
http://www.pbresource.com/relay/wll-c5507.jpg
PBR had one in stock, B-5499 1793.
I did not look carefully enough before I ordered and received the
replacement. But on mine, the old one is apparently welded to the
relay bank itself.
I tried drilling out the holes, then using a screwdriver to try to
break the weld. No luck.
Any suggestions?
How can you remove the coil if the stop is welded? And how could it be welded without melting the coil? Or was it spot welded?
You want to post a photo and give us the link to see what you have...
John :-#)#
On 6/27/20 1:19 PM, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/06/27 7:06 a.m., LexingtonVAPin wrote:
The coil stop is broken on my 1957 Williams Baseball Relay Bank.
http://www.pbresource.com/relay/wll-c5507.jpg
PBR had one in stock, B-5499 1793.
I did not look carefully enough before I ordered and received the
replacement. But on mine, the old one is apparently welded to the
relay bank itself.
I tried drilling out the holes, then using a screwdriver to try to
break the weld. No luck.
Any suggestions?
How can you remove the coil if the stop is welded? And how could it be
welded without melting the coil? Or was it spot welded?
You want to post a photo and give us the link to see what you have...
John :-#)#
Thanks John.
I seem to have forgotten how to share pictures with Flickr, so this is > my attempt.
Please see what you think. So far, the only suggestion I have received
is to remove all the relays on this bank (not looking forward to that) > and taking a grinding wheel to it.
The last pic shows where I tried to drill out the weld from the holes.
The only way I would know to remove the coil would be to remove the
plunger bracket from the front of the coil, then disassemble the linkage
to the relay bank.
First pic is the bank as I got it. Second is the weld from the back of > where the bracket is welded in place. Third, fourth and fifth are pics
of the new bracket. Last is where I am now with the coil and linkage.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmP7D4LE
On 2020/06/28 9:13 a.m., LexingtonVAPin wrote:
On 6/27/20 1:19 PM, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/06/27 7:06 a.m., LexingtonVAPin wrote:
The coil stop is broken on my 1957 Williams Baseball Relay Bank.
http://www.pbresource.com/relay/wll-c5507.jpg
PBR had one in stock, B-5499 1793.
I did not look carefully enough before I ordered and received the
replacement. But on mine, the old one is apparently welded to the
relay bank itself.
I tried drilling out the holes, then using a screwdriver to try to
break the weld. No luck.
Any suggestions?
How can you remove the coil if the stop is welded? And how could it
be welded without melting the coil? Or was it spot welded?
You want to post a photo and give us the link to see what you have...
John :-#)#
Thanks John.
I seem to have forgotten how to share pictures with Flickr, so this is
my attempt.
Please see what you think. So far, the only suggestion I have
received is to remove all the relays on this bank (not looking forward
to that) and taking a grinding wheel to it.
The last pic shows where I tried to drill out the weld from the holes.
The only way I would know to remove the coil would be to remove the
plunger bracket from the front of the coil, then disassemble the
linkage to the relay bank.
First pic is the bank as I got it. Second is the weld from the back of
where the bracket is welded in place. Third, fourth and fifth are
pics of the new bracket. Last is where I am now with the coil and
linkage.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmP7D4LE
Sorry, I didn't realize you were talking about the Bank Reset Coil! I
see what you have had to do, and I don't have any bright (or dim) ideas
I'm afraid...
If you have to drill the holes out from their original 6-32 size, then
try to retap them to 8-32. You'll need to use the correct drill bit...
If you have access to a spot welder or can do basic brazing then you can weld a nut on the backside where you have had to drill out the hole.
Good hunting!
John :-#)#
On 6/28/20 2:18 PM, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/06/28 9:13 a.m., LexingtonVAPin wrote:
On 6/27/20 1:19 PM, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/06/27 7:06 a.m., LexingtonVAPin wrote:
The coil stop is broken on my 1957 Williams Baseball Relay Bank.
http://www.pbresource.com/relay/wll-c5507.jpg
PBR had one in stock, B-5499 1793.
I did not look carefully enough before I ordered and received the
replacement. But on mine, the old one is apparently welded to the >>>>> relay bank itself.
I tried drilling out the holes, then using a screwdriver to try to >>>>> break the weld. No luck.
Any suggestions?
How can you remove the coil if the stop is welded? And how could it >>>> be welded without melting the coil? Or was it spot welded?
You want to post a photo and give us the link to see what you have...
John :-#)#
Thanks John.
I seem to have forgotten how to share pictures with Flickr, so this
is my attempt.
Please see what you think. So far, the only suggestion I have
received is to remove all the relays on this bank (not looking
forward to that) and taking a grinding wheel to it.
The last pic shows where I tried to drill out the weld from the holes.
The only way I would know to remove the coil would be to remove the
plunger bracket from the front of the coil, then disassemble the
linkage to the relay bank.
First pic is the bank as I got it. Second is the weld from the back
of where the bracket is welded in place. Third, fourth and fifth are
pics of the new bracket. Last is where I am now with the coil and
linkage.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmP7D4LE
Sorry, I didn't realize you were talking about the Bank Reset Coil! I >> see what you have had to do, and I don't have any bright (or dim)
ideas I'm afraid...
If you have to drill the holes out from their original 6-32 size, then
try to retap them to 8-32. You'll need to use the correct drill bit...>> If you have access to a spot welder or can do basic brazing then you
can weld a nut on the backside where you have had to drill out the hole.
Good hunting!
John :-#)#
The issue to me is removing the old bracket so I can install the new
one. I don't think it is a problem to attach the new one with a screw
and nut, plus Loctite.
But I think there is no easy way for me to get the old bracket off,
without using a cutting tool, grinder.
That would mean removing all the leaf switches and storing them so they don't come apart (I use rubber bands), the coils (some of those screws > are frozen, I fear), springs and relay plates. Then taking that empty
bank off the game and using a cutting tool to remove the old bracket.
Leaving that hack of a fix is looking better to me every day.
I was hoping to just find a coil stop I could screw into the wood. But this 120 VAC coil and plunger use a bleeping giant coil stop that no one has.
I would buy a whole new bank and transfer it all. Will have to keep an
eye on eBay or where ever it is good to get old EM parts.
On 2020/06/28 1:03 p.m., LexingtonVAPin wrote:
On 6/28/20 2:18 PM, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/06/28 9:13 a.m., LexingtonVAPin wrote:
On 6/27/20 1:19 PM, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/06/27 7:06 a.m., LexingtonVAPin wrote:
The coil stop is broken on my 1957 Williams Baseball Relay Bank.
http://www.pbresource.com/relay/wll-c5507.jpg
PBR had one in stock, B-5499 1793.
I did not look carefully enough before I ordered and received the >>>>>> replacement. But on mine, the old one is apparently welded to the >>>>>> relay bank itself.
I tried drilling out the holes, then using a screwdriver to try to >>>>>> break the weld. No luck.
Any suggestions?
How can you remove the coil if the stop is welded? And how could it >>>>> be welded without melting the coil? Or was it spot welded?
You want to post a photo and give us the link to see what you have... >>>>>
John :-#)#
Thanks John.
I seem to have forgotten how to share pictures with Flickr, so this
is my attempt.
Please see what you think. So far, the only suggestion I have
received is to remove all the relays on this bank (not looking
forward to that) and taking a grinding wheel to it.
The last pic shows where I tried to drill out the weld from the holes. >>>>
The only way I would know to remove the coil would be to remove the
plunger bracket from the front of the coil, then disassemble the
linkage to the relay bank.
First pic is the bank as I got it. Second is the weld from the back
of where the bracket is welded in place. Third, fourth and fifth
are pics of the new bracket. Last is where I am now with the coil
and linkage.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmP7D4LE
Sorry, I didn't realize you were talking about the Bank Reset Coil! I
see what you have had to do, and I don't have any bright (or dim)
ideas I'm afraid...
If you have to drill the holes out from their original 6-32 size,
then try to retap them to 8-32. You'll need to use the correct drill
bit...
If you have access to a spot welder or can do basic brazing then you
can weld a nut on the backside where you have had to drill out the hole. >>>
Good hunting!
John :-#)#
The issue to me is removing the old bracket so I can install the new
one. I don't think it is a problem to attach the new one with a screw
and nut, plus Loctite.
But I think there is no easy way for me to get the old bracket off,
without using a cutting tool, grinder.
That would mean removing all the leaf switches and storing them so
they don't come apart (I use rubber bands), the coils (some of those
screws are frozen, I fear), springs and relay plates. Then taking
that empty bank off the game and using a cutting tool to remove the
old bracket.
Leaving that hack of a fix is looking better to me every day.
I was hoping to just find a coil stop I could screw into the wood.
But this 120 VAC coil and plunger use a bleeping giant coil stop that
no one has.
I would buy a whole new bank and transfer it all. Will have to keep
an eye on eBay or where ever it is good to get old EM parts.
If you need a replacement coil stop please send me (or
parts@flippers...com) a photo of the original - we have a large heap of unsorted coil stops including larger ones. If you have the part number
even better! We may have the stop on our web site https://www.flippers.com/catalog. I suggest you put part of the number
is the Quick Find - that turns up more items, but avoids missing parts
that have a typo or missing hyphen, etc. Not to mention the A1/1A/01
number change that Williams did...
John :-#)#
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