Digital Man wrote to apam <=-

With Synchronet, I also supported PostLink networking (e.g. RIME) in
the past and certainly have no love of FTN, but I think it'd be best to know what you're trying to fix before you try to replace it with
something else. :-) --

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I find the topic of a new messsage network technology interesting and
have been following along here.

It's interesting, I'm kind of a little bit fickle about the idea, I'm not really sure it's worth pursuing. I mean, from a development point of
view, making new things for the sake of making new things can be fun, but
who would use it?

However, before anything "new" is proposed, I suggest a careful
examination of what is wrong with the current technology (FTN). I've
started my own list here:

Yep, I agree, I read your list, and think it's pretty much spot on.

To be honest though, I think it's a kind of dead end. It's interesting to
talk about though I suppose.

Happy birthday by the way, not sure if it was today or yesterday..
facebook told me, but I don't know how that works with timezones :)

Andrew

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Re: Is binkp/d's security model kaputt?
By: apam to Digital Man on Sat Jan 01 2022 02:55 pm

I find the topic of a new messsage network technology interesting and have been following along here.

It's interesting, I'm kind of a little bit fickle about the idea, I'm not really sure it's worth pursuing. I mean, from a development point of
view, making new things for the sake of making new things can be fun, but who would use it?

It's always possible that a network could be formed (or switch to) a non-FTN technoloy. And that could then be a new technology. But so far, I haven't found any limitation or issue with QWK that I couldn't address, so that's where I tend to focus my message-networking-innovation. I appreciate your adopting (and testing the interoperability) of some of my QWKnet extensions too.

However, before anything "new" is proposed, I suggest a careful examination of what is wrong with the current technology (FTN). I've started my own list here:

Yep, I agree, I read your list, and think it's pretty much spot on.

To be honest though, I think it's a kind of dead end. It's interesting to talk about though I suppose.

Yeah, probably a dead end. There's the occasional discussion of the same subject on FidoNet proper (e.g. Future4fido echo), but I don't think it's ever going to amount to much because of the compatiblity issue.

Happy birthday by the way, not sure if it was today or yesterday..
facebook told me, but I don't know how that works with timezones :)

Thanks. It's still the 31st here in California, so still my birthday (the Unix epoch, for this timezone anyway). :-)
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It's always possible that a network could be formed (or switch to) a
non-FTN technoloy. And that could then be a new technology. But so
far,

Yes, it would have to offer something FTN doesn't though I think, even if
it was technically superior, FTN does work and I suspect unless both
Synchronet and Mystic supported it natively, very few would be bothered
to set it up.

I haven't found any limitation or issue with QWK that I couldn't
address, so that's where I tend to focus my
message-networking-innovation. I appreciate your adopting (and testing
the interoperability) of some of my QWKnet extensions too.

That's cool, I mainly just wanted messages from talisman to be a bit more seemless for those viewing on synchronet (so people didn't get mad lol)
but I'm glad it was helpful to test things.

Thanks. It's still the 31st here in California, so still my birthday
(the Unix epoch, for this timezone anyway). :-)

Ah, ok. That's interesting. So facebook must tell me it's peoples
birthdays in my own timezone not theirs.

Sorry, I don't mean to be a bit of a downer regarding message nets - I'm
not sure if it's coming across that way.

Andrew

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