• NZ.TEST

    From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Avon on Monday, February 01, 2021 11:40:38
    Hey Avon,

    mighty leader and all round nice guy! #-)


    You should have seen a test post on the news server from my MBSE setup.

    Did it come through?




    \/orlon
    VK3HEG


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    * Origin: \/orlon Empire: Sector 550 (21:1/195.1)
  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to vorlon on Sunday, January 31, 2021 18:07:40
    Re: NZ.TEST
    By: vorlon to Avon on Mon Feb 01 2021 11:40 am

    You should have seen a test post on the news server from my MBSE setup.

    Did it come through?

    NZ_TEST you mean? I haven't seen anything recently but I'll keep an eye out.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    ... Error: The system has been taken over by sheep at line 19960
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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to vorlon on Monday, February 01, 2021 21:33:52
    On 01 Feb 2021 at 11:40a, vorlon pondered and said...

    Hey Avon,
    mighty leader and all round nice guy! #-)

    Careful I may start blushing :)

    You should have seen a test post on the news server from my MBSE setup. Did it come through?

    Yes I see it on the NNTP server. Here's the detail.

    [snip]

    Path: news.bbs.nz!.POSTED.vorlon.activateit.net.au!ftn633.vk3heg.net!not-for-mail From: Stephen Walsh <Stephen.Walsh@f280.n633.z3.fidonet.org>
    Newsgroups: nz.test
    Subject: Re: Just a test
    Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:48:53 +1100
    Organization: Agency News - Dunedin, New Zealand
    Message-ID: <1612054133@f280.n633.z3.fidonet.ftn>
    Mime-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ibm437
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Injection-Info: news.bbs.nz; posting-host="ePkgm7dWql+5pS8sevmfSbXfp3LbsQsAx4FZWHU/N/o";
    logging-data="14882"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.bbs.nz"
    X-FTN-SEEN-BY: 633/0 280
    REPLY: 3:770/100@binkp ff925997
    X-FTN-PID: GED+LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    X-FTN-TID: MBSE-FIDO 1.0.7.21 (GNU/Linux-x86_64)
    X-FTN-CHRS: CP437 2
    X-Origin-Newsgroups: nz.test
    X-Comment-To: "Paul Hayton" <>
    X-FTN-MSGID: 3:633/280@fidonet 6015fe8f
    X-FTN-AREA: NZ.TEST
    X-Newsreader: GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5 (Linux 4.19.0-12-amd64 CPU UNKNOWN) X-FTN-TZUTC: 1100
    X-FTN-PATH: 633/280
    Xref: news.bbs.nz nz.test:208


    Hello Paul!

    29 Jan 21 18:43, Paul Hayton wrote to all:

    @MSGID: 3:770/100@binkp ff925997
    @TZUTC: 1100
    @CHRS: CP437 2
    @PID: MBSE-FIDO 1.0.7.21 (GNU/Linux-x86_64)
    @TID: MBSE-FIDO 1.0.7.21 (GNU/Linux-x86_64)
    @RFC-Organization: Agency BBS, Dunedin - New Zealand | bbs.nz @RFC-Content-Type: text/plain;
    @RFC-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    That's a test they said

    It won't hurt they said

    Hmmm


    --- MBSE BBS v1.0.7.21 (GNU/Linux-x86_64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS, Dunedin - New Zealand | bbs.nz
    (3:770/100@binkp)

    SEEN-BY: 633/0 280
    @PATH: 633/280


    Did you pass and what was the score?



    Stephen

    [snip]

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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Avon on Monday, February 01, 2021 10:24:29
    Avon wrote (2021-02-01):

    Yes I see it on the NNTP server. Here's the detail.

    [snip]

    Path: news.bbs.nz!.POSTED.vorlon.activateit.net.au!ftn633.vk3heg.net!not-for-mail From: Stephen Walsh <Stephen.Walsh@f280.n633.z3.fidonet.org>
    No MX or any other record for this domain.

    Newsgroups: nz.test
    Subject: Re: Just a test
    Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:48:53 +1100
    Organization: Agency News - Dunedin, New Zealand
    Message-ID: <1612054133@f280.n633.z3.fidonet.ftn>
    ^^^
    Interesting TLD.

    Mime-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ibm437
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Injection-Info: news.bbs.nz; posting-host="ePkgm7dWql+5pS8sevmfSbXfp3LbsQsAx4FZWHU/N/o";
    logging-data="14882"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.bbs.nz" X-FTN-SEEN-BY: 633/0 280
    REPLY: 3:770/100@binkp ff925997
    ^^^^^
    wrong wrong wrong :). Should be X-FTN-REPLY. Can someone file a bug report?

    X-FTN-PID: GED+LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    X-FTN-TID: MBSE-FIDO 1.0.7.21 (GNU/Linux-x86_64)
    X-FTN-CHRS: CP437 2
    X-Origin-Newsgroups: nz.test
    X-Comment-To: "Paul Hayton" <>
    X-FTN-MSGID: 3:633/280@fidonet 6015fe8f
    X-FTN-AREA: NZ.TEST
    X-Newsreader: GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5 (Linux 4.19.0-12-amd64 CPU UNKNOWN) X-FTN-TZUTC: 1100
    X-FTN-PATH: 633/280

    proper X-FTN kludge lines

    29 Jan 21 18:43, Paul Hayton wrote to all:

    @MSGID: 3:770/100@binkp ff925997
    ^^^^^
    that's not the correct domain.

    @RFC-Organization: Agency BBS, Dunedin - New Zealand | bbs.nz
    @RFC-Content-Type: text/plain;
    @RFC-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    proper RFC lines as kludge lines.

    * Origin: Agency BBS, Dunedin - New Zealand | bbs.nz
    (3:770/100@binkp)
    ^^^^^^
    Not sure if domains are allowed in the Origin line.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Oli on Tuesday, February 02, 2021 10:00:52
    On 01 Feb 2021 at 10:24a, Oli pondered and said...

    wrong wrong wrong :). Should be X-FTN-REPLY. Can someone file a bug report?

    Thanks for the info. The first thing I want to do is get HPT working and my other systems migrated. But thereafter more than happy to circle back to what should/shouldn't be in/out of kludge lines etc.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Al on Tuesday, February 02, 2021 11:33:19
    Re: NZ.TEST
    By: vorlon to Avon on Mon Feb 01 2021 11:40 am

    You should have seen a test post on the news server from my
    MBSE setup.

    Did it come through?

    NZ_TEST you mean? I haven't seen anything recently but I'll keep an
    eye out.

    Nop, I had the right area, a NewsGroup test area. #-)




    \/orlon
    VK3HEG


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    * Origin: \/orlon Empire: Sector 550 (21:1/195.1)
  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Avon on Tuesday, February 02, 2021 11:39:31
    Hey Avon,
    mighty leader and all round nice guy! #-)

    Careful I may start blushing :)

    You can do that, just make sure your kids can't see you, or they'll think
    your weird. #-)

    You should have seen a test post on the news server from my
    MBSE setup. Did it come through?

    Yes I see it on the NNTP server. Here's the detail.

    Great. MBSE is a option for you if you can't get soupgate doing what you
    want. Although it's a full BBS package, you could just use it to do the
    news gating.




    \/orlon
    VK3HEG


    --- MagickaBBS v0.15alpha (Linux/armv6l)
    * Origin: \/orlon Empire: Sector 550 (21:1/195.1)
  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Avon on Tuesday, February 02, 2021 08:18:48
    Avon wrote (2021-02-02):

    On 01 Feb 2021 at 10:24a, Oli pondered and said...

    wrong wrong wrong :). Should be X-FTN-REPLY. Can someone file a bug
    report?

    Thanks for the info. The first thing I want to do is get HPT working and
    my other systems migrated. But thereafter more than happy to circle back
    to what should/shouldn't be in/out of kludge lines etc.

    Is there anything you can do about it? Isn't it a MBSE bug?

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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to vorlon on Tuesday, February 02, 2021 08:22:57
    vorlon wrote (2021-02-02):

    Yes I see it on the NNTP server. Here's the detail.

    Great. MBSE is a option for you if you can't get soupgate doing what you want. Although it's a full BBS package, you could just use it to do the news gating.

    It's also not doing the gating right (see my the reply to Avon's first reply), better than soupgate though.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Oli on Tuesday, February 02, 2021 22:23:45
    On 02 Feb 2021 at 08:18a, Oli pondered and said...

    Is there anything you can do about it? Isn't it a MBSE bug?

    I'm not sure.. I didn't pay close attention as to all the kludges you quoted etc... but if it all came out of MBSE then I guess no, not anything I can
    look at / tackle right now.

    At the moment I'm nailing down *.msg files and how to process them and file attachments in HPT... nearly there on that count, phew :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to vorlon on Tuesday, February 02, 2021 22:24:23
    On 02 Feb 2021 at 11:39a, vorlon pondered and said...

    Great. MBSE is a option for you if you can't get soupgate doing what you want. Although it's a full BBS package, you could just use it to do the news gating.

    Thanks! Good to have many irons in the fire. :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Avon on Tuesday, February 02, 2021 17:57:35
    Avon wrote (2021-02-02):

    Is there anything you can do about it? Isn't it a MBSE bug?

    I'm not sure.. I didn't pay close attention as to all the kludges you quoted etc... but if it all came out of MBSE then I guess no, not
    anything I can look at / tackle right now.

    At the moment I'm nailing down *.msg files and how to process them and
    file attachments in HPT... nearly there on that count, phew :)

    Good luck. If it's done, hpt should be good enough for the next couple of decades until FTN goes full 5D (or fades away).

    I've started writing a soupgate replacement*. Tried several mail libraries for constructing / reading RFC5322 mails. The one in Python did weird things, Mail in Ruby has a bug that is an unfixed open issue in the repo. Now I'm stuck at some point to get Gnome Evolution's Camel lib working with Vala. I'm not sure if it's a weird bug or I just don't get it ...

    * don't expect that it will ever get finished

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Oli on Wednesday, February 03, 2021 19:22:25
    On 02 Feb 2021 at 05:57p, Oli pondered and said...

    At the moment I'm nailing down *.msg files and how to process them and file attachments in HPT... nearly there on that count, phew :)

    Good luck. If it's done, hpt should be good enough for the next couple of decades until FTN goes full 5D (or fades away).

    Yep seems to be working tonight the debug gods are on my side.

    I've started writing a soupgate replacement*. Tried several mail
    libraries for constructing / reading RFC5322 mails. The one in Python
    did weird things, Mail in Ruby has a bug that is an unfixed open issue
    in the repo. Now I'm stuck at some point to get Gnome Evolution's Camel lib working with Vala. I'm not sure if it's a weird bug or I just don't get it ...
    * don't expect that it will ever get finished

    Well if/when you want a tester lemme know :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Oli on Thursday, February 04, 2021 11:06:45
    vorlon wrote (2021-02-02):

    Yes I see it on the NNTP server. Here's the detail.

    Great. MBSE is a option for you if you can't get soupgate doing
    what you want. Although it's a full BBS package, you could just
    use it to do the news gating.

    It's also not doing the gating right (see my the reply to Avon's
    first reply), better than soupgate though.

    The advantage to MBSE if Avon wanted to go down that route, is that the
    code is maintained to this day and is in active dev. It also will compile
    on both 32/64bit systems.

    My setup for news groups is like this:

    MBSE talks to Leafnode (Filtering features), and leafnode talks to the
    NNTP server (In this case it's Avon's).




    \/orlon
    VK3HEG


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    * Origin: \/orlon Empire: Sector 550 (21:1/195.1)
  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Avon on Thursday, February 04, 2021 11:07:22
    On 02 Feb 2021 at 11:39a, vorlon pondered and said...

    Great. MBSE is a option for you if you can't get soupgate
    doing what you want. Although it's a full BBS package, you
    could just use it to do the news gating.

    Thanks! Good to have many irons in the fire. :)

    As long as you use the right iron and don't burn yourself. #-)




    \/orlon
    VK3HEG


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    * Origin: \/orlon Empire: Sector 550 (21:1/195.1)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to vorlon on Thursday, February 04, 2021 14:40:35
    On 04 Feb 2021 at 11:07a, vorlon pondered and said...

    Thanks! Good to have many irons in the fire. :)

    I wondered about that smell of burning chicken...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to vorlon on Wednesday, February 03, 2021 17:55:22
    MBSE talks to Leafnode (Filtering features), and leafnode talks to the NNTP server (In this case it's Avon's).

    What kind of filters are you running? I just started bringing in Usenet and its so full of garbage that I'm having to drop entire newsgroups. I'm currently filtering out messages which are crossposted more then 4 times, but you still get the psychopaths that post these crazy long rants 20 times every day into individual groups.

    It's so discourgaing how spam has ruined usenet.


    Bob Roberts
    --- SBBSecho 3.12-Linux
    * Origin: Halls of Valhalla -:- hovalbbs.com:2333 (21:2/118)
  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Avon on Thursday, February 04, 2021 08:50:34
    Avon wrote (2021-02-03):

    Yep seems to be working tonight the debug gods are on my side.

    :)

    I've started writing a soupgate replacement*.

    Now I'm stuck at some point to get Gnome
    Evolution's Camel lib working with Vala. I'm not sure if it's a
    weird bug or I just don't get it ...
    * don't expect that it will ever get finished

    Well if/when you want a tester lemme know :)

    It turned out the problem with Vala and Camel is a bug in the language bindings. Whenever I use software I discover bugs. Back to bug reporting and waiting (hoping) for a fix.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Oli on Thursday, February 04, 2021 21:16:38
    On 04 Feb 2021 at 08:50a, Oli pondered and said...

    It turned out the problem with Vala and Camel is a bug in the language bindings. Whenever I use software I discover bugs. Back to bug reporting and waiting (hoping) for a fix.

    well you've found your niche :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Oli@21:3/102 to vorlon on Thursday, February 04, 2021 10:55:18
    vorlon wrote (2021-02-04):

    Great. MBSE is a option for you if you can't get soupgate doing
    what you want. Although it's a full BBS package, you could just
    use it to do the news gating.

    It's also not doing the gating right (see my the reply to Avon's
    first reply), better than soupgate though.

    The advantage to MBSE if Avon wanted to go down that route, is that the code is maintained to this day and is in active dev.

    AFAIK the original developer doesn't work on it anymore and the new repo doesn't even include the commit history from the original source code. Which is odd, because there was already a maintained repo on github.

    I tried MBSE a longer time ago (I think when it was still developed by it's original author). What I didn't like was that it created an OS user account for every BBS user. I only would run it in a separate container.

    My setup for news groups is like this:

    MBSE talks to Leafnode (Filtering features), and leafnode talks to the
    NNTP server (In this case it's Avon's).

    I remember MBSE had everything included (BBS, Tosser, Mailer, NNTP and more). Is it possible to use MBSE as a gateway that processes mail without running the complete system? (I don't remember in detail how MBSE worked).

    The mails gated by MBSE look somewhat better than the ones from soupgate, but there are still many problems. What would be the advantage of MBSE over e.g. Synchronet?

    I still would love to see something that is as simple to use as soupgate (without being a complete BBS+everything package) and as competent as fidogate.

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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Bob Roberts on Wednesday, February 10, 2021 11:38:03
    Hey Bob,

    MBSE talks to Leafnode (Filtering features), and leafnode
    talks to the NNTP server (In this case it's Avon's).

    What kind of filters are you running? I just started bringing in
    Usenet and its so full of garbage that I'm having to drop entire newsgroups. I'm currently filtering out messages which are
    crossposted more then 4 times, but you still get the psychopaths
    that post these crazy long rants 20 times every day into individual groups.

    I use the built in filter features of leafnode.

    maxcrospost = 1
    maxage = 7

    Being very selective in the groups.


    It's so discourgaing how spam has ruined usenet.

    If you want to look at the filter file it's here:

    http://vk3heg.net/filters




    \/orlon
    VK3HEG


    --- MagickaBBS v0.15alpha (Linux/armv6l)
    * Origin: \/orlon Empire: Sector 550 (21:1/195.1)
  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Oli on Wednesday, February 10, 2021 11:46:03
    Hi Oli,

    vorlon wrote (2021-02-04):

    Great. MBSE is a option for you if you can't get soupgate
    doing what you want. Although it's a full BBS package, you
    could just use it to do the news gating.

    It's also not doing the gating right (see my the reply to
    Avon's first reply), better than soupgate though.

    Send in a pacth then. #-)


    The advantage to MBSE if Avon wanted to go down that route, is
    that the code is maintained to this day and is in active dev.

    AFAIK the original developer doesn't work on it anymore and the new
    repo doesn't even include the commit history from the original
    [...]
    by it's original author). What I didn't like was that it created an
    OS user account for every BBS user. I only would run it in a

    I've been using MBSE since 2007, initially as a full bbs and then latter
    as just a mailhub.


    separate container.

    My setup for news groups is like this:

    MBSE talks to Leafnode (Filtering features), and leafnode talks
    to the NNTP server (In this case it's Avon's).

    I remember MBSE had everything included (BBS, Tosser, Mailer, NNTP
    and more). Is it possible to use MBSE as a gateway that processes
    mail without running the complete system? (I don't remember in
    detail how MBSE worked).

    Even though the bbs functions are still there, none of them are enabled
    for my system.


    The mails gated by MBSE look somewhat better than the ones from
    soupgate, but there are still many problems. What would be the
    advantage of MBSE over e.g. Synchronet?

    I've only seen Synchronet from a user point of view and I did't like the
    way it operated, so never looked at the sysop side.

    I still would love to see something that is as simple to use as
    soupgate (without being a complete BBS+everything package) and as competent as fidogate.

    The quickest way would be to fix the bugs in soupgate.




    \/orlon
    VK3HEG


    --- MagickaBBS v0.15alpha (Linux/armv6l)
    * Origin: \/orlon Empire: Sector 550 (21:1/195.1)
  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to vorlon on Wednesday, February 10, 2021 13:29:54
    If you want to look at the filter file it's here: http://vk3heg.net/filters

    Thank you. This is helpful.

    Bob Roberts
    --- SBBSecho 3.12-Linux
    * Origin: Halls of Valhalla -:- hovalbbs.com:2333 (21:2/118)
  • From Oli@21:3/102 to vorlon on Thursday, February 11, 2021 12:43:52
    vorlon wrote (2021-02-10):

    Great. MBSE is a option for you if you can't get soupgate
    doing what you want. Although it's a full BBS package, you
    could just use it to do the news gating.

    It's also not doing the gating right (see my the reply to
    Avon's first reply), better than soupgate though.

    Send in a pacth then. #-)

    Isn't that the responsibility of the user? ;-P I'm not feeding these wrong messages to the public network. I cannot fix everyone's broken software.

    I still would love to see something that is as simple to use as
    soupgate (without being a complete BBS+everything package) and as
    competent as fidogate.

    The quickest way would be to fix the bugs in soupgate.

    Thought about it. The problem is that there is a lot of stuff that is missing. Echomail to netnews is not that difficult. The other way around, parsing an RFC5322 message is much more complex than an FTN packet. Soupgate does not even try to parse netnews messages properly. Since it's last release it only have got more complicated. I think it's best to use a tested library for this and at this point I think it's easier to start from scratch than to bend the old code base around this or be limited to a C library.

    Others with better C skills than me might disagree. I would love to see an improved Soupgate, but looking at other (better known, but still abandoned) FTN software projects, I doubt it will happen.

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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Avon on Thursday, February 11, 2021 13:02:20
    Avon wrote (2021-02-04):

    On 04 Feb 2021 at 08:50a, Oli pondered and said...

    It turned out the problem with Vala and Camel is a bug in the
    language bindings. Whenever I use software I discover bugs. Back to
    bug reporting and waiting (hoping) for a fix.

    well you've found your niche :)

    The bug has been fixed by the Gnome guys and should be in the next 3.38.4 release on Saturday. I haven't tested it (yet) – not really motivated to compile everything from source (at the moment).

    snowflakes dancing outside behind the window. up and down and left and right and fast and slow.

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