In about 30 Minutes the chance to meet the CEO of Commodore will be upon us. All are welcome and the details can be found on the main page @ www.tpug.ca. Once in a life time chance if you love Commodore.

Hope to see some of the BBS community there!

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On 20 Oct 2022, claw said the following...

In about 30 Minutes the chance to meet the CEO of Commodore will be upon us. All are welcome and the details can be found on the main page @ www.tpug.ca. Once in a life time chance if you love Commodore.

Hope to see some of the BBS community there!

Hey Claw, Sounds cool... sorry I missed it :-( Did you hear anything interesting?

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On 20 Oct 22 17:31:27, Claw said the following to All:

In about 30 Minutes the chance to meet the CEO of Commodore will be upon us. All are welcome and the details can be found on the main page @ www.tpug.ca. Once in a life time chance if you love Commodore.

Most people here likely love the C64... and thats great but for me it was the freaking Vic-20. That was my first computer a long time ago.

Having that computer as a kid and making it do things it wasn't designed to do or whatever you could make work in 3k Ram with no sprites, no video modes, nothing... *that* was what I loved. C64 and Apple 2e just spoiled it for me and later the Tandy 1000 with its 640k.

Did you see the Doom clone for Vic20... un-freaking-believable.

Atreyu

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In about 30 Minutes the chance to meet the CEO of Commodore will be upo All are welcome and the details can be found on the main page @ www.tpu Once in a life time chance if you love Commodore.

Most people here likely love the C64... and thats great but for me it
was the freaking Vic-20. That was my first computer a long time ago.

Having that computer as a kid and making it do things it wasn't designed to do or whatever you could make work in 3k Ram with no sprites, no
video modes, nothing... *that* was what I loved. C64 and Apple 2e just spoiled it for me and later the Tandy 1000 with its 640k.

Did you see the Doom clone for Vic20... un-freaking-believable.

Atreyu

I had both. The Vic 20 for a little bit in 1991, but I wanted the C64, as that is what a couple of friends had, and it had better graphics. In particular the text mode looked much, much better than Vic 20's very blocky text.

But I do have a fondness for the Vic 20. I have one, just needs repair. Probably a faulty capacitor. Back then we always wanted more, bigger, faster, better, but there is something quaint about that machine now.

I did see that Doom clone. Fantastic!

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On 20 Oct 2022, Atreyu said the following...

Most people here likely love the C64... and thats great but for me it
was the freaking Vic-20. That was my first computer a long time ago.

Having that computer as a kid and making it do things it wasn't designed to do or whatever you could make work in 3k Ram with no sprites, no
video modes, nothing... *that* was what I loved. C64 and Apple 2e just spoiled it for me and later the Tandy 1000 with its 640k.

Did you see the Doom clone for Vic20... un-freaking-believable.

Atreyu

Well he was the Father of the Vic-20 Had quite a few answers about it. Like the 20 is because its a friendly number and wasn't as over used like 10 or 5. he said 100 would have been the next number option. In the end it was all for marketing reason. :D

It was great getting to meet him. Thanks to all the BBS folks that showed up and represented the BBS community!

He was a great speaker and I will rewatch it as soon as its on youtube. I will also post it. Amazing stories and great to hear what he has to say about his perspective at Commodore. I even got to ask the one question I always wanted to and I was very surprised what the truth was. No spoilers I'll post the video when it is ready

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On 21 Oct 2022, claw said the following...

Well he was the Father of the Vic-20 Had quite a few answers about it. Like the 20 is because its a friendly number and wasn't as over used
like 10 or 5. he said 100 would have been the next number option. In the end it was all for marketing reason. :D

It was great getting to meet him. Thanks to all the BBS folks that
showed up and represented the BBS community!

He was a great speaker and I will rewatch it as soon as its on youtube.
I will also post it. Amazing stories and great to hear what he has to
say about his perspective at Commodore. I even got to ask the one

Thanks for the invite Claw, I did enjoy it myself.. Was nice to hear the background of my favorite (and still used) computer..

AL

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Hey Claw, Sounds cool... sorry I missed it :-( Did you hear anything interesting?

So I joined the meeting, but missed the first hour or so - TPUG graciously posted the entire meeting on YouTube, so I was able to watch the first bit... that means anyone else can check it out, too. Michael was a great 'presenter', but really it was more a Q&A for an hour and a half; really great format.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiQ0qk6tK7E



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On 21 Oct 2022, paulie420 said the following...

Hey Claw, Sounds cool... sorry I missed it :-( Did you hear anything interesting?

So I joined the meeting, but missed the first hour or so - TPUG
graciously posted the entire meeting on YouTube, so I was able to watch the first bit... that means anyone else can check it out, too. Michael
was a great 'presenter', but really it was more a Q&A for an hour and a half; really great format.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiQ0qk6tK7E

pAULIE42o

Excellent... Thanks, pAULIE42o! much appreciated

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Hey Claw, Sounds cool... sorry I missed it :-( Did you hear anything interesting?

So I joined the meeting, but missed the first hour or so - TPUG
graciously posted the entire meeting on YouTube, so I was able to watch the first bit... that means anyone else can check it out, too. Michael
was a great 'presenter', but really it was more a Q&A for an hour and a half; really great format.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiQ0qk6tK7E

pAULIE42o

Thanks! I would have loved to have been part of it, but timezone differences meant I missed it. One thing I really liked about the Vic 20 was the manual. The manual was informative, and well written. That is something you don't get with computers today.

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On 21 Oct 2022, Bucko said the following...

On 21 Oct 2022, claw said the following...

Thanks for the invite Claw, I did enjoy it myself.. Was nice to hear the background of my favorite (and still used) computer..

AL

I'm glad we had a few people from the BBS scene. It was really cool to get to see him and hear all the stories. Too bad his book is so expensive. I'm not a book collector so will have to find another way to ready it.

Wish it was on Kindle. I'm surprised All the out of print media isn't at least preserved on Digital.

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On 21 Oct 2022, paulie420 said the following...

So I joined the meeting, but missed the first hour or so - TPUG
graciously posted the entire meeting on YouTube, so I was able to watch the first bit... that means anyone else can check it out, too. Michael
was a great 'presenter', but really it was more a Q&A for an hour and a half; really great format.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiQ0qk6tK7E

pAULIE42o

I'm Glad you made it! :D I was wondering what happened. Out of all the people you seemed to be the most excited about it. Meatlotion was there and got out of bed to come see it.

Once in a life time chance so I get it!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiQ0qk6tK7E

Excellent... Thanks, pAULIE42o! much appreciated

Yer welcome for the link - but really Dr Claw is the one who informed all us bbS people to join the zoom call, and TPUG is the group that put it on. Info about TPUG on the youtube video. I was st0ked to be able to join - super awesome!



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Thanks! I would have loved to have been part of it, but timezone differences meant I missed it. One thing I really liked about the Vic
20 was the manual. The manual was informative, and well written. That
is something you don't get with computers today.

Yea, I didn't ask questions or talk at all - but it was really cool to see the interactions of a legacy C= group (TPUG) and one of the original devs.

Dude, I miss so many of the old manuals... the ones I most remember are the IBM three ring boxes - omg... so great. You had the disks in the front and a literal man page printed out. :P



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I'm Glad you made it! :D I was wondering what happened. Out of all the people you seemed to be the most excited about it. Meatlotion was there and got out of bed to come see it.

Once in a life time chance so I get it!

I had a .txt file in my home directory, but I guess I should have made an iPhone alarm like the rest of us. :P

I got in there, and am thankful to ya... :P



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Thanks! I would have loved to have been part of it, but timezone differences meant I missed it. One thing I really liked about the Vi 20 was the manual. The manual was informative, and well written. Tha is something you don't get with computers today.

Yea, I didn't ask questions or talk at all - but it was really cool to
see the interactions of a legacy C= group (TPUG) and one of the original devs.

Dude, I miss so many of the old manuals... the ones I most remember are the IBM three ring boxes - omg... so great. You had the disks in the
front and a literal man page printed out. :P

Was Jim Butterfield part of that group? I recently saw his tutorial on the C64.

I didn't actually have any computers in the 80's, too young, so sadly I
missed what was to me probably the most interesting part of the evolution of computers, the microcomputer. I loved getting books from the library about them, reading up on the different models, about programming, machine code. I borrowed the book Big Basic Computer Games or something like that, tried some of them. This was the era where people would submit their programs to magazines, where cool technical information about the low level details were readily available and discussed, as if everyone would be interested. And yes, proper manuals! There is something to be said about the tactile experience of actually having a manual, everything there a page flip away, and that manual detailing the machine you are using (accurately). Discovering all those little corners, capabilities, things you can do.

Do computers come with manuals anymore? What do you get with your new iMac?

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Had my first PC-DOS 2.1 manual forever. Haven't seen it in a while though. They were definitely some of the best! Remember getting my first PCjr in 1983 and it only came with a BASIC cartridge. Of course I was only 8 and the computer arrived before PC-DOS arrived. My dad told me not to touch it but I had it built before he told me not to touch it. So I knew enough to get a few basic programs typed in as we had a CP/M machine from Japan that we got in 81. Definitely miss those days.

... Drugs cartel busted: NO COURIER

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Yea, I didn't ask questions or talk at all - but it was really cool t see the interactions of a legacy C= group (TPUG) and one of the origi devs.

Was Jim Butterfield part of that group? I recently saw his tutorial on the C64.

He was actually one of the founders of TPUG, but it seems that he passed away in 2oo7. https://www.tpug.ca/2007/06/jim-butterfield/

[Us discussing old computer MANUALS, BOXES and BOOKLETS..]

Do computers come with manuals anymore? What do you get with your new iMac?

I have a 2o17 iMac and no, zero manuals. It comes with the big screen/computer, a box with the keyboard and a box with the mouse/touchpad - in the box you get two Apple stickers, not a booklet in sight. Everything is online these days - I like that, but wish companies would either supply, or have for download, all that information in case the data isn't there in the future. Meh.



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Yea, I didn't ask questions or talk at all - but it was really c see the interactions of a legacy C= group (TPUG) and one of the devs.

Was Jim Butterfield part of that group? I recently saw his tutorial the C64.

He was actually one of the founders of TPUG, but it seems that he passed away in 2oo7. https://www.tpug.ca/2007/06/jim-butterfield/

[Us discussing old computer MANUALS, BOXES and BOOKLETS..]

Do computers come with manuals anymore? What do you get with your ne iMac?

I have a 2o17 iMac and no, zero manuals. It comes with the big screen/computer, a box with the keyboard and a box with the
mouse/touchpad - in the box you get two Apple stickers, not a booklet in sight. Everything is online these days - I like that, but wish companies would either supply, or have for download, all that information in case the data isn't there in the future. Meh.

They say the Internet never forgets, but that is not true. The Internet forgets a lot. So many pages have disappeared, and these manuals will go too one day, perhaps maintained on archive.org. Maybe.

I didn't think that computers came with manuals, well, anything more than that white page or pages of legalese. Of course, it is ironic that you have to use your computer to go online before you can find out how to use the computer...

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Re: Re: Meeting Michael Tomczyk
By: boraxman to paulie420 on Thu Oct 27 2022 10:43 pm

Do computers come with manuals anymore? What do you get with your new iMac?

Recently at work, the company owner ordered a new M1 Mac Mini for some iOS deveopment work I needed to do. It didn't come with any manuals.

For my PCs at home, usually I like building my own PCs. I like the fact that components like motherboards, etc. still come with manuals. I don't think many other PC components come with much of a manual though.

Around 1993 or 1994, I remember buying a copy of MS-DOS 6.0 and it came with a manual that had a cartoon depiction of a street with a couple cars on the back. I liked that manual.

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Do computers come with manuals anymore? What do you get with your new iMac?

Recently at work, the company owner ordered a new M1 Mac Mini for some
iOS deveopment work I needed to do. It didn't come with any manuals.

For my PCs at home, usually I like building my own PCs. I like the fact that components like motherboards, etc. still come with manuals. I
don't think many other PC components come with much of a manual though.

Around 1993 or 1994, I remember buying a copy of MS-DOS 6.0 and it came with a manual that had a cartoon depiction of a street with a couple
cars on the back. I liked that manual.

I've collected a few DOS manuals, for DOS 5, DOS 6, also GW BASIC.

Is the manual you are referring to the "Take a road trip with the MS-DOS 6 Upgrade" one?

I have that, and it has a cartoon drawing of a road on the front and back with cars, a traffic light, signs and such.

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Re: Re: Computers
By: boraxman to Nightfox on Sun Oct 30 2022 12:09 am

Around 1993 or 1994, I remember buying a copy of MS-DOS 6.0 and it
came with a manual that had a cartoon depiction of a street with a
couple
cars on the back. I liked that manual.

I've collected a few DOS manuals, for DOS 5, DOS 6, also GW BASIC.

Is the manual you are referring to the "Take a road trip with the MS-DOS 6 Upgrade" one?

I have that, and it has a cartoon drawing of a road on the front and back with cars, a traffic light, signs and such.

Yes, that sounds like the one.

Nightfox
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