Hello everybody!
I'm currently using SyncTerm under windows and it works ok.
I wonder what other options are? What do you guys use?

Regards
Orphan

--- GoldED+/W64-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: Digital Asylum BBS (21:2/119)

Hello everybody!
I'm currently using SyncTerm under windows and it works ok. I wonder
what other options are? What do you guys use?

I use icyterm. Most of the bugs have been taken out and it supports
the combination of ssh and iemsi login on my bbs (ssh to shsbbs.net with a login of bbs and password of shsbbs, then log in normally or use iemsi
login parameters in icyterm).

---
Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp)
(ports 22, 23, 110, 21, 119) (ssh: login bbs password shsbbs)


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
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Hello Shurato!

24 Nov 23 16:20, you wrote to me:

I use icyterm. Most of the bugs have been taken out and it supports
the combination of ssh and iemsi login on my bbs (ssh to shsbbs.net
with a login of bbs and password of shsbbs, then log in normally or
use iemsi login parameters in icyterm).

Oh I didn't know this one. I'll check it out, thanks!

Regards,
Orphan

--- GoldED+/W64-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: Digital Asylum BBS (21:2/119)

I use icyterm. Most of the bugs have been taken out and it supports
the combination of ssh and iemsi login on my bbs (ssh to shsbbs.net with
a login of bbs and password of shsbbs, then log in normally or use iemsi login parameters in icyterm).

Hmmmm - whats this iemsi??? Haven't seen that before. :P



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Hello everybody!
I'm currently using SyncTerm under windows and it works ok.
I wonder what other options are? What do you guys use?

Regards
Orphan

Syncterm under Linux mostly, but I may on occasion use Qodem. I've also used under particular circumstances, plain SSH or telnet.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)

Hmmmm - whats this iemsi??? Haven't seen that before. :P

Auto logon from years back ... used to be fun to dial in with FrontDoor's terminal and have it auto log you into Renegade ...

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
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On 24 Nov 2023, Orphan said the following...

I'm currently using SyncTerm under windows and it works ok.
I wonder what other options are? What do you guys use?

I've been using NetRunner. I tried SyncTerm and found that I liked the way NetRunner looked more. Features wise they both offered what I was looking for, so for me it came down to aesthetics. If you're wanting to try it you can snag it from mysticbbs.com.

-Zarnock

... I'd love to help you out. Which way did you come in?

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
* Origin: The Zone BBS - zonebbs.net (21:1/174)

I use icyterm. Most of the bugs have been taken out and it supports the combination of ssh and iemsi login on my bbs (ssh to shsbbs.net

with

a login of bbs and password of shsbbs, then log in normally or use

iemsi

login parameters in icyterm).

Hmmmm - whats this iemsi??? Haven't seen that before. :P

I don't know what the acronym stands for, but it's a method of a system and user to identify eachother without any interaction. It sends my name,
location and BBS info (as I have it configured) and send me the users name, location and terminal info (as they have it configured) for really fast
logins. I'm not sure if it has other purposes, but EleBBS supports it by default. It can even let users log in new if they don't have an accout.

---
Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp)
(ports 22, 23, 110, 21, 119) (ssh: login bbs password shsbbs)


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
---
* Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (21:2/148)

Hello everybody!
I'm currently using SyncTerm under windows and it works ok.
I wonder what other options are? What do you guys use?

I'm on Mac more than Windows, I also use SyncTerm quite often but slowly switching to IcyTerm as I don't find the latest version of SyncTerm stable (I'm still on 1.1 if I use it), and IcyTerm just fucking rocks!

I think it should be available for Windows too, if so, try it. Download available on github:

https://github.com/mkrueger/icy_term/releases/tag/0.6.8

-h1

... Xerox Alto was the thing. Anything after we use is just a mere copy.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

Hello boraxman!

25 Nov 23 17:08, you wrote to me:

Syncterm under Linux mostly, but I may on occasion use Qodem. I've
also used under particular circumstances, plain SSH or telnet.

Yes I think Syncterm is the best, thanks.
Regards,
Orphan


--- GoldED+/W64-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: Digital Asylum BBS - bbs.digitalasylum.com.ar:2323 (21:2/119)

Hello Zarnock!

24 Nov 23 23:59, you wrote to me:

I've been using NetRunner. I tried SyncTerm and found that I liked
the way NetRunner looked more. Features wise they both offered what I
was looking for, so for me it came down to aesthetics. If you're
wanting to try it you can snag it from mysticbbs.com.

-Zarnock

That's great. I discovered it is by the same guy that made Mystic. I'll check it out.

Regards
Orphan


--- GoldED+/W64-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: Digital Asylum BBS - bbs.digitalasylum.com.ar:2323 (21:2/119)

Hello hollowone!

24 Nov 23 22:31, you wrote to me:

I'm on Mac more than Windows, I also use SyncTerm quite often but
slowly switching to IcyTerm as I don't find the latest version of
SyncTerm stable (I'm still on 1.1 if I use it), and IcyTerm just
fucking rocks!

I'll have to try IcyTerm, a lot of people is recommending it!

I think it should be available for Windows too, if so, try it.
Download available on github:

https://github.com/mkrueger/icy_term/releases/tag/0.6.8

Thanks!

Orphan


--- GoldED+/W64-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: Digital Asylum BBS - bbs.digitalasylum.com.ar:2323 (21:2/119)

Hello Shurato!

24 Nov 23 23:30, you wrote to paulie420:

Hmmmm - whats this iemsi??? Haven't seen that before. :P

I don't know what the acronym stands for, but it's a method of a
system and user to identify eachother without any interaction. It
sends my name, location and BBS info (as I have it configured) and
send me the users name, location and terminal info (as they have it configured) for really fast logins. I'm not sure if it has other purposes, but EleBBS supports it by default. It can even let users
log in new if they don't have an accout.

IEMSI is Interactive Electronic Mail Standards Identification. It was first implemented in FrontDoor's Terminal for clients and RemoteAccess for BBS software. As EleBBS is a clone of RA 2.50, it make sense that it is supported there as well.

Andrew

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20230826
* Origin: Phoenix BBS * phoenix.bnbbbs.net (21:4/105)

Hmmmm - whats this iemsi??? Haven't seen that before. :P

I don't know what the acronym stands for, but it's a method of a system and user to identify eachother without any interaction. It sends my
name, location and BBS info (as I have it configured) and send me the users name, location and terminal info (as they have it configured) for really fast logins. I'm not sure if it has other purposes, but EleBBS supports it by default. It can even let users log in new if they don't have an accout.

Neat - I was a Renegade guy in the 90s and just hadn't heard of it. I'll have to p0ke around an EleBBS or two and try using iemsi with icy_term. Coolio!!

Thanks for the info.



|07p|15AULIE|1142|07o
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--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

Neat - I was a Renegade guy in the 90s and just hadn't heard of it. I'll hav to p0ke around an EleBBS or two and try using iemsi with icy_term. Coolio!!

Renegade still has it ... It just defaults as OFF in system config, because not many people use it anymore.

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (21:1/176)

On 24 Nov 2023, Orphan said the following...

Hello everybody!
I'm currently using SyncTerm under windows and it works ok.
I wonder what other options are? What do you guys use?

Regards
Orphan

I like Netrunner. If you have a high res screen 1k - 4k. It scales it beautifully. Also I run linux and its precompiled so I don't have to mess around with it.

|23|04Dr|16|12Claw
|16|14Sysop |12Noverdu |14BBS |20|15Radio|10@|14HTTP://Noverdu.com:88
|16|10 Standard ports for SSH/Telnet |04 WEB|14@|12HTTP://noverdu.com:808 |20|15Global Chat, Global Messaging and Games! |16|10Ditch the Unsocial Media

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Noverdu BBS (21:1/210)

Hello claw!

27 Nov 23 14:19, you wrote to me:

I like Netrunner. If you have a high res screen 1k - 4k. It scales
it beautifully. Also I run linux and its precompiled so I don't have
to mess around with it.

I'll have to test it :)

Orphan


--- GoldED+/W64-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: Digital Asylum BBS - bbs.digitalasylum.com.ar:2323 (21:2/119)

I'm on Mac more than Windows, I also use SyncTerm quite often but slowly switching to IcyTerm as I don't find the latest version of SyncTerm stable (I'm still on 1.1 if I use it), and IcyTerm just fucking rocks!

If you are a macOS (or iOS) user you should take a peak at MuffinTerm (on both app stores). I am just getting back into the hobby and wasn't happy with the state of compatibility of the common ones (NetRunner, SyncTerm) in macOS.

I fell upon this accidentally with a BBS search. It is gorgeous, intuitive, has some retro vibes and drastically simplifies file downloads.

Cheers,

Az


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]

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Re: Re: Terminal programs
By: Azrael to hollowone on Wed Dec 06 2023 02:47 pm

If you are a macOS (or iOS) user you should take a peak at MuffinTerm (on both app stores). I am just getting back into the hobby and wasn't happy with the state of compatibility of the common ones (NetRunner, SyncTerm) in macOS.

I fell upon this accidentally with a BBS search. It is gorgeous, intuitive, has some retro vibes and drastically simplifies file downloads.

I'd second this. Been using it a while now.

Molly the developer is also super responsive if you have any questions...


...ëîåï
--- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
* Origin: I'm playing with ANSI+videotex - wanna play too? (21:2/116)

On 07 Dec 2023, deon said the following...

Re: Re: Terminal programs
By: Azrael to hollowone on Wed Dec 06 2023 02:47 pm

If you are a macOS (or iOS) user you should take a peak at MuffinTerm ( both app stores). I am just getting back into the hobby and wasn't happ with the state of compatibility of the common ones (NetRunner, SyncTerm macOS.

I fell upon this accidentally with a BBS search. It is gorgeous, intuit has some retro vibes and drastically simplifies file downloads.

I'd second this. Been using it a while now.

yeah, i agree wholeheartedly. i really enjoy muffin term. works well on all my apple devices.

Molly the developer is also super responsive if you have any questions...

one feature i asked her to look into adding was the ability to click on links and have them load up your browser. that is just about the only missing feature that id like to have.

... Hard work never killed anyone but why take a risk?

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
* Origin: The Bottomless Abyss BBS * bbs.bottomlessabyss.net (21:1/172)

On 07 Dec 2023, Erobj said the following...

Molly the developer is also super responsive if you have any question

one feature i asked her to look into adding was the ability to click on links and have them load up your browser. that is just about the only missing feature that id like to have.

I sent her a note asking for the ability to page up & down on the iPad version with a physical keyboard (ctrl up /down). Would make scrolling
through/reading messages much easier. Hoping that gets added to a future version.


Jay

... I don't know if I'm allergic to dogs, I've never been stung by one

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/04/30 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)

If you are a macOS (or iOS) user you should take a peak at MuffinTerm

Once upon a time I tried to convince a friend of mine to connect BBSes. He then proud told me he tried but the entry point was way too hard for him but he really enjoyed the Muffin TErm old fashioned experience.

I offered him help with BBSes but also instantly advised not to use some unknown BBS terminal as whole scene is on either SyncTerm or Netrunner, telnet clients known to me at that time.

I never heard about this app any longer before reading above.

I just downloaded it and it looks like MSDOS terminals, so I must agree with that friend mentioned above... I keep testing it and I may maybe change my mind as i really find a lot of limitation in SyncTerm to stay as my primary terminal app today.

thanks

-h1

... Xerox Alto was the thing. Anything after we use is just a mere copy.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

On Friday, November 24th Orphan was heard saying...

Hello everybody! I'm currently using SyncTerm under windows and it works ok. I wonder what other options are? What do you guys use?

Right now, I'm using Konsole under HaikuOS. I question if I would recommend it to my enemies.

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All you ever need is to be nice and friendly!
- Parappa the Rapper

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I'm using Konsole under HaikuOS. It might be reliable.

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- Parappa the Rapper
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Hello everybody! I'm currently using SyncTerm under windows and it wo ok. I wonder what other options are? What do you guys use?

I use Netrunner. I like it a lot and it seems to do the job. You
can download it from: mysticbbs.com/downloads.html

-Alonzo-

... A house is a place to keep your stuff while you go out and get more stuff

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
* Origin: From the depths of Bunker 3 (21:1/130)

Hello everybody!
I'm currently using SyncTerm under windows and it works ok. I wonder
what other options are? What do you guys use?

Icyterm. Supports almost everything Syncterm does, plus IEMSI logins and Web Socket (secure and non) connections. Even supports my SSH connection with IEMSI login...

--- shsbbs.net
Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp,
,wss) (Ports 22,23,110,21,119,8080) (ssh login 'bbs' pass 'shsbbs').


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
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* Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (21:2/148)

Icyterm. Supports almost everything Syncterm does, plus IEMSI logins
and Web Socket (secure and non) connections. Even supports my SSH connection with IEMSI login...

One thing that all of are missing is whatever netrunner has to smooth everything out.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/04/30 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Clutch BBS * telnet://clutchbbs.com (21:1/199)

Hello Niter3,

On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 11:28:28 -0400, you wrote:

One thing that all of are missing is whatever netrunner has to smooth everything out.

Anti-aliasing, I think it was.

I remember g00 talking about the fonts having sharp edges and this rounded them off to be smoother looking.

Regards,
Nick

... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
--- Mozilla Thunderbird
* Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (21:1/200)

Icyterm. Supports almost everything Syncterm does, plus IEMSI logins and Web Socket (secure and non) connections. Even supports my SSH connection with IEMSI login...

One thing that all of are missing is whatever netrunner has to smooth everything out.

Actually, netrunner doesn't support my ssh connection. ssh://bbs:shsbbs@shsbbs.net. It doesn't seem to support normal linux ssh connections, only bbs ones.

--- shsbbs.net
Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp,
,wss) (Ports 22,23,110,21,119,8080) (ssh login 'bbs' pass 'shsbbs').


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
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* Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (21:2/148)

Re: Terminal programs
By: Shurato to niter3 on Tue Apr 16 2024 11:28 pm

One thing that all of are missing is whatever netrunner has to smooth
everything out.

Actually, netrunner doesn't support my ssh connection. ssh://bbs:shsbbs@shsbbs.net. It doesn't seem to support normal linux ssh connections, only bbs ones.

It's because it uses cryptlib, which uses obsolete algorithms. You have to set your ssh daemon to accept obsolete algorithms to make it work.

Syncterm also uses cryptlib, but I believe it is patched to make it work with newer algorithms.

Andrew
--- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
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Actually, netrunner doesn't support my ssh connection. ssh://bbs:shsbbs@shsbbs.net. It doesn't seem to support normal linux ssh connections, only bbs ones.

I didn't know this about Netrunner. What terminal program would you
recommend for Windows users?

... "I am" is the shortest sentence in English. Is 'I do' the longest?

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
* Origin: From the depths of Bunker 3 (21:1/130)

* In a message originally to Shurato, apam said:

Re: Terminal programs By: Shurato to niter3 on Tue Apr 16 2024 11:28
pm

One thing that all of are missing is whatever netrunner has to

smooth

everything out.

Actually, netrunner doesn't support my ssh connection. ssh://bbs:shsbbs@shsbbs.net. It doesn't seem to support normal linux

ssh

connections, only bbs ones.

It's because it uses cryptlib, which uses obsolete algorithms. You have to set your ssh daemon to accept obsolete algorithms to make it work.

Thanks, I'll look into that!

Syncterm also uses cryptlib, but I believe it is patched to make it work with newer algorithms.

Andrew
--- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
* Origin: HappyLand - happylnd.synchro.net (21:1/182.1)

--- shsbbs.net
Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp,
,wss) (Ports 22,23,110,21,119,8080) (ssh login 'bbs' pass 'shsbbs').


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* Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (21:2/148)

* In a message originally to Shurato, Alonzo said:

Actually, netrunner doesn't support my ssh connection. ssh://bbs:shsbbs@shsbbs.net. It doesn't seem to support normal linux

ssh

connections, only bbs ones.

I didn't know this about Netrunner. What terminal program would you recommend for Windows users?

Evidently, according to Apam I can loosen my encryption restrictions to allow netrunner to connect. I'll look into that. For now, I use icyterm (which
also allows secure and non websocket connections).

--- shsbbs.net
Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp,
,wss) (Ports 22,23,110,21,119,8080) (ssh login 'bbs' pass 'shsbbs').


---
* Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (21:2/148)

Actually, netrunner doesn't support my ssh connection. ssh://bbs:shsbbs@shsbbs.net. It doesn't seem to support normal linux ssh connections, only bbs ones.

--- shsbbs.net
Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp, ,wss) (Ports 22,23,110,21,119,8080) (ssh login 'bbs' pass 'shsbbs').

As I type this, I'm connected to my board via ssh using netrunner. I've not had any problems (that I can tell!) Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 compiled 2023/04/30 14:52:52 and Netrunner v2.00 Beta 21.

Scott

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/04/30 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Altair IV BBS (21:2/147)

* In a message originally to Shurato, ogg said:

Actually, netrunner doesn't support my ssh connection. ssh://bbs:shsbbs@shsbbs.net. It doesn't seem to support normal linux

ssh

connections, only bbs ones.

--- shsbbs.net Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh,
telnet, pop3,

ftp,nntp,

,wss) (Ports 22,23,110,21,119,8080) (ssh login 'bbs' pass 'shsbbs').

As I type this, I'm connected to my board via ssh using netrunner. I've
not had any problems (that I can tell!) Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 compiled 2023/04/30 14:52:52 and Netrunner v2.00 Beta 21.

Yeah, you're using cryptlib with mystic, not a normal linux SSH connection.

I tried adding:

Ciphers +3des-cbc,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbd,aes256-cbc

to sshd_config

ssh -Q cipher shows them listed as such:

3des-cbc
aes128-cbc
aes192-cbc
aes256-cbc
aes128-ctr
aes192-ctr
aes256-ctr
aes128-gcm@openssh.com
aes256-gcm@openssh.com
chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com

But that didn't help. Netrunner is still refusing to connect. It doesn't
even give me an error, it just times out.

--- shsbbs.net
Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp,
,wss) (Ports 22,23,110,21,119,8080) (ssh login 'bbs' pass 'shsbbs').


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* Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (21:2/148)

As I type this, I'm connected to my board via ssh using netrunner. I've
not had any problems (that I can tell!) Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 compiled 2023/04/30 14:52:52 and Netrunner v2.00 Beta 21.

Yeah, you're using cryptlib with mystic, not a normal linux SSH connection.

I tried adding:

Ciphers +3des-cbc,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbd,aes256-cbc

to sshd_config

ssh -Q cipher shows them listed as such:

3des-cbc
aes128-cbc
aes192-cbc
aes256-cbc
aes128-ctr
aes192-ctr
aes256-ctr
aes128-gcm@openssh.com
aes256-gcm@openssh.com
chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com

But that didn't help. Netrunner is still refusing to connect. It
doesn't even give me an error, it just times out.

--- shsbbs.net

I saw your post about this right after I posted my comment. I guess we really aren't communicating "instantaneously!"

Scott

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/04/30 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Altair IV BBS (21:2/147)