Im debating between a macbook air and a gaming laptop using windows. The big issue is
making sure the laptops have good thermals.
Why are thermals important? Why not the fact that Apples are overpriced pieces of sh__? Which gaming
laptop? Why do you need a gaming laptop for [what I assume is to] running a BBS?
Macbook Air's are super light and power efficient so I imagine they would run quite cool. Don't buy one yet, they're about to announce the very first ARM powered Macbook. I bet it runs super cool and fast.
Wait until the ARM powered laptops come out and blow away any Intel chip in thermals and performance. They're already blowing away qualcom chips with Apple Silicon in the iphone.
It's a great time to get into Apple.
Im debating between a macbook air and a gaming laptop using windows. Th issue is
making sure the laptops have good thermals.
Why are thermals important? Why not the fact that Apples are overpriced piecesof sh__? Which gaming laptop? Why do you need a gaming laptop for [what Iassume is to] running a BBS?
Macbook Air's are super light and power efficient so I imagine they woul quite cool. Don't buy one yet, they're about to announce the very first powered Macbook. I bet it runs super cool and fast.
I'm pretty sure ARM macbooks are a dead end... I can install linux on
the oldest intel macbook to this day, I doubt that will ever be true for ARM based macbooks. They're killing the homebrew scene.
That's not to say they won't run okay... just I'll have absolutely zero interrest at that point myself.
I'm pretty sure ARM macbooks are a dead end... I can install linux on
the oldest intel macbook to this day, I doubt that will ever be true for ARM based macbooks. They're killing the homebrew scene.
I'm curious how ARM is with things like video encoding and transcoding, distributed computing, and other computing-intensive tasks. Maybe they've caught up with Intel & AMD by now?
Macbook Air's are super light and power efficient so I imagine they
would run quite cool. Don't buy one yet, they're about to announce
the very first ARM powered Macbook. I bet it runs super cool and
fast.
I'm pretty sure ARM macbooks are a dead end... I can install linux on
the oldest intel macbook to this day, I doubt that will ever be true for ARM based macbooks. They're killing the homebrew scene.
That's not to say they won't run okay... just I'll have absolutely zero interrest at that point myself.
I'm curious how ARM is with things like video encoding and transcoding, distributed computing, and other computing-intensive tasks. Maybe they'vecaught up with Intel & AMD by now?
I'm curious how ARM is with things like video encoding and
transcoding, distributed computing, and other computing-intensive
tasks. Maybe they'vecaught up with Intel & AMD by now?
If you like to Tinker, grab this PineBook Pro for $199.
Re: Re: laptops
By: Tracker1 to Bob Roberts on Tue Oct 27 2020 05:55 pm
I'm pretty sure ARM macbooks are a dead end... I can install linux on the oldest intel macbook to this day, I doubt that will ever be true for ARM based macbooks. They're killing the homebrew scene.
I'm not sure why you would want to install linux directly on Mac hardware.
I'm not sure why you would want to install linux directly on Mac hardware.
The reason to invest in a Mac is to use Mac OS and the tight integration between the OS and the hardware.
It's easy to virtualize linux on top of
Mac OS using many different tools like Docker, Parallels, VMWare, Virtual Box, etc. Big Sur also debuts Mac OS's built in hypervisor, which should make it even more efficient.
I'm curious how ARM is with things like video encoding and transcoding, distributed computing, and other computing-intensive tasks. Maybe they'vecaught up with Intel & AMD by now?
If you like to Tinker, grab this PineBook Pro for $199.
I've found that ARM (the Pi, Pine stuff, other SBCs) is capable but underpow
You can get the things done, but yer not breaking any speed records or runni
Manjaro ARM is really helping give the ARM community a solid Arch-based linu m running the menu or network tasks.
??? I think our tech is so advanced that looking at low-cost low-performance
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Re: Re: laptops
By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Wed Oct 28 2020 09:36 am
I'm curious how ARM is with things like video encoding and
transcoding, distributed computing, and other computing-intensive
tasks. Maybe they'vecaught up with Intel & AMD by now?
If you like to Tinker, grab this PineBook Pro for $199.
Which PineBook Pro? Which one is "this"?
Nightfox
Re: Re: laptops
By: Bob Roberts to Tracker1 on Wed Oct 28 2020 08:21 am
Re: Re: laptops
By: Tracker1 to Bob Roberts on Tue Oct 27 2020 05:55 pm
I'm pretty sure ARM macbooks are a dead end... I can install linux o the oldest intel macbook to this day, I doubt that will ever be true for ARM based macbooks. They're killing the homebrew scene.
I'm not sure why you would want to install linux directly on Mac hardware
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I'm pretty sure ARM macbooks are a dead end... I can install linux on
the oldest intel macbook to this day, I doubt that will ever be true
for ARM based macbooks. They're killing the homebrew scene.
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Some distros such as Ubuntu MATE are intended for older systems with
lower resources. Switching over from OSX to an OS running less
overhead should result in better performance.
I've been looking ata the Pinebooks, as wells as the Pinephone. I set
up aRock64 sbc to run a display for anon-profit I help out with, and
it's beenrunning solid. So far I've had better performance running Armbian overUbuntu MATE, however I'm curious to see how the Manjaro
based phone OS willwork.
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I'm pretty sure ARM macbooks are a dead end... I can install linux
on the oldest intel macbook to this day, I doubt that will ever be
true for ARM based macbooks. They're killing the homebrew scene.
I'm not sure why you would want to install linux directly on Mac
hardware.
https://www.cultofmac.com/162823/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-i-love-my-ma cbook-air/ --
Re: laptopssh__? Which gaming laptop? Why do you need a gaming laptop for [what I assume is to]
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to all on Sat Oct 24 2020 10:48 am
Im debating between a macbook air and a gaming laptop using windows. The big
issue is
making sure the laptops have good thermals.
Why are thermals important? Why not the fact that Apples are overpriced pieces of
On 10/27/2020 8:31 AM, ANDROID8675 wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON:
Re: laptops
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to all on Sat Oct 24 2020 10:48 am
Im debating between a macbook air and a gaming laptop using
windows. The big
issue is
making sure the laptops have good thermals.
Why are thermals important? Why not the fact that Apples aresh__? Which gaming laptop? Why do you need a gaming laptop for [what I assume is to]
overpriced pieces of
running a BBS?
Its not for running a bbs, I have my ryzen box to run the bbs. I was thinking the Dell G5
2020 with the i7 and 2060 graphics.
Something good for video editing, bbs user tools like multimail and syncterm and final
fantasy 14.
I've been looking ata the Pinebooks, as wells as the Pinephone. I set up aRock64 sbc to run a display for anon-profit I help out with, and it's beenrunning solid. So far I've had better performance running Armbian overUbuntu MATE, however I'm curious to see how the Manjaro based phone OS willwork.
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I really like Armbian, too... especially if I'm designing something that
may need a light GUI for some other end user to be able to maintain...
but man, I think you'll really like Manjaro ARM. It is getting really polished, and continues to get better and better on the PineBook Pro. Manjaro team is supporting the hardware and really dialing everything in well.
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run something not compiled on ARM, you can always do it in a VM.I'm pretty sure ARM macbooks are a dead end... I can install linux on
the oldest intel macbook to this day, I doubt that will ever be true for
ARM based macbooks. They're killing the homebrew scene.
most Linux distros run fine on ARM. And if you absolutely have to
If you like to Tinker, grab this PineBook Pro for $199.
Which PineBook Pro? Which one is "this"?
How is Mac OS integrated with the hardware more tightly than other operating systems? And I'm not sure what that even means?
It's easy to virtualize linux on top of
Mac OS using many different tools like Docker, Parallels, VMWare, Virtual
Box, etc. Big Sur also debuts Mac OS's built in hypervisor, which should
make it even more efficient.
An OS is always most efficient when running directly on the hardware.
I'm pretty sure ARM macbooks are a dead end... I can install linux on
the oldest intel macbook to this day, I doubt that will ever be true
for ARM based macbooks. They're killing the homebrew scene.
There's ARM-based distros, wonder if Apple would let you boot them.
Some distros such as Ubuntu MATE are intended for older systems with
lower resources. Switching over from OSX to an OS running less
overhead should result in better performance.
Lubuntu is another fine choice for low-end systems. Uses LXDE and a
selection of smaller-footprint apps than vanilla Ubuntu. I ran it
well on single-core Thinkpads with a gig of RAM for years.
An OS is always most efficient when running directly on the hardware.
True, but modern virtualization hooks in the processors helps a bit if you're emulating for the same architecture... that said, Mac switching
to ARM won't really help x86 software in emulation much.
Lubuntu is another fine choice for low-end systems. Uses LXDE and a selection of smaller-footprint apps than vanilla Ubuntu. I ran it
well on single-core Thinkpads with a gig of RAM for years.
switch to ARM for their Macs. Since they switched to Intel, one ofTrue, but modern virtualization hooks in the processors helps a bit if
you're emulating for the same architecture... that said, Mac switching
to ARM won't really help x86 software in emulation much.
That's one thing that confuses me a bit about Apple's decision to
At the same time, I've heard Microsoft has a version of Windows 10that runs on ARM and runs desktop software. I've heard it also has a
switch to ARM for their Macs. Since they switched to Intel, one ofThat's one thing that confuses me a bit about Apple's decision to
As to emulating windows, or running windows apps, I'm not sure if they will work with MS towards better support, or drop the idea altogether since core MS apps have Apple and Online versions, and there's likely less use of Windows emulation these days compared to even a few years ago.
Re: Re: laptops
By: Tracker1 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Nov 03 2020 03:53 pm
Lubuntu is another fine choice for low-end systems. Uses LXDE and a selection of smaller-footprint apps than vanilla Ubuntu. I ran it
well on single-core Thinkpads with a gig of RAM for years.
Lubuntu has been my OS of choice for about 6 years now. Recently I felt li a change so now I'm duel booting into Lubuntu and Puppy Linux. So far I'm enjoying Puppy. It's chock full of every utility you can think of and more. It's blazing fast. I'll give my full report in about 6 months. :-).
... Don't hit me, Mr. Moderator! I'll go back on topic, I swear!
That's one thing that confuses me a bit about Apple's decision to
switch to ARM for their Macs. Since they switched to Intel, one of
What editor are you using? When you quoted my paragraphs, it was only putting a quote character (>) on the first line, and the rest of the lines in my paragraphs didn't have a quote character in front.
As to emulating windows, or running windows apps, I'm not sure if they
will work with MS towards better support, or drop the idea altogether
since core MS apps have Apple and Online versions, and there's likely
less use of Windows emulation these days compared to even a few years ago.
It's not "Windows emulation" (I haven't heard that term anyway). Currently, Windows can run on Macs because they use Intel processors - there's no emulation involved. And for the ARM macs, they'd have to emulate an Intel processor to enable Windows to run - not necessarily emulating Windows (I'm not enturely sure what "Windows emulation" would mean, exactly).
What editor are you using? When you quoted my paragraphs, it was only
putting a quote character (>) on the first line, and the rest of the
lines in my paragraphs didn't have a quote character in front.
Yeah, it does that (Thunderbird over NNTP). It's because your original message doesn't include actual line breaks, so it's a long, single line in the quote.
I was referring to the ARM case, where using Windows apps would likely
be via emulation, and on ARM for x86 windows would be a poor experience most likely. Of course there is Windows ARM, but without x86 there are
so few apps that are Windows ARM and Windows Only that it's not worth
the effort most likely.
I tried Puppy Linux some time ago, when I was a Linux n00b, and I found it interesting. It was a bit buggy, though.
If yoiu enjoy ultra-compact Linux distributions, Tiny Core Linux is worth checking. Keep in mind the core has the barebones necessary to boot and offe you a shell, and not much else. You are supposed to build up from there.
I actually wrote an article for Linux Magazine about packaging and deploying Tiny Core Linux extensions. It should be hitting the presses not long from n I have been testing it with some very old computers we have at work because might be the difference between throwing them away or not.
Yeah, it does that (Thunderbird over NNTP). It's because your original
message doesn't include actual line breaks, so it's a long, single line
in the quote.
Both SlyEdit and FSEditor for Synchronet do that now. The assumption is
that the reader should handle line wrapping. Is there a way to
configure the line length for quoting messages in Thunderbird?
I was referring to the ARM case, where using Windows apps would likely
be via emulation, and on ARM for x86 windows would be a poor experience
most likely. Of course there is Windows ARM, but without x86 there are
so few apps that are Windows ARM and Windows Only that it's not worth
the effort most likely.
I think it's geting more interesting now that Microsoft is developing a version of Windows 10 for ARM now too. I've heard that version of
Windows 10 also has a 32-bit x86 emulator so that you can run 32-bit
Intel desktop software in the ARM version of Windows 10.
So it sounds
like Intel processor emulation can be done on ARM, at least for a 32-bit Intel processor. What's also interesting is you might be able to run the
ARM version of Windows 10 on an ARM mac with Boot Camp, or in a virtual machine, the same way you can run Windows for Intel on an Intel Mac.
Yeah, I don't suspect that Mac will allow booting another OS, also don't know about virtualizing x86 windows on arm windows, emulated on arm mac.
I wouldn't expect a bootcamp option for ARM macs at all if you consider iOS device lockdown. Emulation might work, and may be crazy slow. I'm just not sure what practical applications most users need that would necessitate an x86 windows emulation on an ARM mac.
Note: I'm not against it, I just don't see it happening.
Note: I'm not against it, I just don't see it happening.
The ability to boot Windows on an Intel Mac has been one of their
selling points since they switched to Intel processors. Since both
Apple and Microsoft are now making versions of their OS for ARM-
based processors, I imagined Apple would still want to allow booting
Windows to appeal to those who'd want to do that. But I guess they
could go either way.
points since they switched to Intel processors. Since both Apple and Microsoft are now making versions of their OS for ARM-based processors, I imagined Apple would still want to allow booting Windows to appeal to those who'd want to do that. But I guess they could go either way.
Lubuntu has been my OS of choice for about 6 years now. Recently I felt li a change so now I'm duel booting into Lubuntu and Puppy Linux. So far I'm enjoying Puppy. It's chock full of every utility you can think of and more. It's blazing fast. I'll give my full report in about 6 months. :-).
Lubuntu is another fine choice for low-end systems. Uses LXDE and a
selection of smaller-footprint apps than vanilla Ubuntu. I ran it
well on single-core Thinkpads with a gig of RAM for years.
From what they've done with iOS devices, seriously doubtful. Today's
Apple products are tomorrow's e-waste.
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