It says I am out of logons, what does that mean and what do I need to change?
Any help appreciated. :)
This is a new install from git of SBBS 3.20.
Hello All,
It says I am out of logons, what does that mean and what do I need to change?
Any help appreciated. :)
This is a new install from git of SBBS 3.20.
I looked at my account in uedit and my security level was 0, so it set it to 99 and was able to log in briefly before running out of time.
I also created a second regular user account with the same results. The security level gets set to 0 and the password is blank.
I used "jsexec makeguest" to create a guest account. I can log in as guest and browse around the BBS but the sysop and regular user accounts are not usable.
I'm not sure why that is but that is what I discovered so far.
Hello All,
I have just setup a new Synchronet BBS and make an initial setup.
I logged on for the first time and was going through the new user questions/setup. Shortly after logging in I saw message something like times up and I was logged off. I never got to the create guest account setup question.
Now when I login and enter my name and it says "Times up.", and logs me out. It doesn't ask for my password. I see this on the sbbs terminal server screen..
1/18 23:52:44 term 0053 Telnet connection accepted from: 127.0.0.1 port 59396 1/18 23:52:44 term 0053 Telnet Hostname: irondust.home [127.0.0.1] 1/18 23:52:44 term Node 1 socket 53 attached to local interface 127.0.0.1 port 23 1/18 23:52:44 term Node 1 11:52p Wed Jan 18 2023 Node
1
1/18 23:52:44 term Node 1 Telnet irondust.home [127.0.0.1] 1/18 23:52:45 term Node 1 Telnet Speed: 38400 bps 1/18 23:52:45 term Node 1 terminal type: 80x30 LINUX 1/18 23:52:47 term Node 1 <Al> Ran out of time 1/18 23:52:48 term Node 1
<Al> (0001) Al Out of logons
1/18 23:52:48 term Node 1 <Al> logout initiated 1/18 23:52:48 term Node 1 thread terminated (0 node threads remain, 6 clients served)
It says I am out of logons, what does that mean and what do I need to change?
Hello All,
It says I am out of logons, what does that mean and what do I need to change?
Any help appreciated. :)
This is a new install from git of SBBS 3.20.
I looked at my account in uedit and my security level was 0, so it set it to 99 and was able to log in briefly before running out of time.
I also created a second regular user account with the same results. The security level gets set to 0 and the password is blank.
How did you create the second regular user account? The normal methods (e.g. logging in as "new") will create a new user account with the values you have configured in SCFG->System->New User Values. Check those values.
I also created a second regular user account with the same results. The
security level gets set to 0 and the password is blank.
How did you create the second regular user account? The normal methods (e.g. logging in as "new") will create a new user account with the values you have configured in SCFG->System->New User Values. Check those values.
I also created a second regular user account with the same results. The >> security level gets set to 0 and the password is blank.
How did you create the second regular user account? The normal methods (e.g. logging in as "new") will create a new user account with the values you have configured in SCFG->System->New User Values. Check those values.
Both of these accounts were created by telneting in.
I used the makeguest.js
to create the guest account since I was logged out the first time before the "make guest" question was asked.
Both of these accounts were created by telneting in.
Did you check your "New User Values" in SCFG?
I used the makeguest.js
to create the guest account since I was logged out the first time
before the "make guest" question was asked.
Okay. I don't think there's an issue with your Guest account.
Hello Digital,
Both of these accounts were created by telneting in.
Did you check your "New User Values" in SCFG?
Yes, they are untouched from the defaults and are what I would expect them to be.
I used the makeguest.js
to create the guest account since I was logged out the first time
before the "make guest" question was asked.
Okay. I don't think there's an issue with your Guest account.
Yes, the guest account is OK.
This is not an upgrade from 3.19. I just grabbed the source with git so it is purely 3.20. Would that make a difference?
The security level for the sysop and regular user shows as 0 in uedit and the password field is blank. If I set the security level and password in uedit I can briefly login but soon after I get logged off be cause "times up". After that looking in uedit again the security level shows 0 and the passord field is blank again.
Ttyl :-),
The security level for the sysop and regular user shows as 0 in uedit and
the password field is blank. If I set the security level and password in
uedit I can briefly login but soon after I get logged off be cause "times
up". After that looking in uedit again the security level shows 0 and the
passord field is blank again.
just do what i said and it'll be fine.
Hello Digital,
Both of these accounts were created by telneting in.
Did you check your "New User Values" in SCFG?
Yes, they are untouched from the defaults and are what I would expect them to be.
I used the makeguest.js
to create the guest account since I was logged out the first time
before the "make guest" question was asked.
Okay. I don't think there's an issue with your Guest account.
Yes, the guest account is OK.
This is not an upgrade from 3.19. I just grabbed the source with git so it is purely 3.20. Would that make a difference?
The security level for the sysop and regular user shows as 0 in uedit and the password field is blank. If I set the security level and password in uedit I can briefly login but soon after I get logged off be cause "times up". After that looking in uedit again the security level shows 0 and the passord field is blank again.
The security level for the sysop and regular user shows as 0 in
uedit and the password field is blank. If I set the security level
and password in uedit I can briefly login but soon after I get
logged off be cause "times up". After that looking in uedit again
the security level shows 0 and the passord field is blank again.
Maybe the user account is expiring? The log would normally indicate
that. If New User Values->Expiration Days is set to 0, then a new user account should not expire ever. Do you have this set to a non-zero
value?
just do what i said and it'll be fine.
The time per day is set to default, 240 minites if I remember right.
The security levels drop to 0 and the password field blanks after attempting to login for some reason I don't know.
^^^^just do what i said and it'll be fine.
1/19 22:34:37 term Node 1 <Al> Ran out of time
1/19 22:34:38 term Node 1 <Al> (0001) Al Out of logons 1/19 22:34:38 term Node 1 <Al> logout initiated
1/19 22:34:39 term Node 1 thread terminated (0 node threads remain, 1 clients served)
Ttyl :-),
Al
go into the user editor and give yourself time. check your sl ,
credits, and minutes. make sure scfg isnt open. open scfg and make
sure your new user values are decent. create a new user via telnet
to test it.
Hello Digital,
The security level for the sysop and regular user shows as 0 in
uedit and the password field is blank. If I set the security level
and password in uedit I can briefly login but soon after I get
logged off be cause "times up". After that looking in uedit again
the security level shows 0 and the passord field is blank again.
Maybe the user account is expiring? The log would normally indicate that. If New User Values->Expiration Days is set to 0, then a new user account should not expire ever. Do you have this set to a non-zero value?
Yes, Expiration days are set to 0. I don't see any message about an account expiring. I just see this after I enter my login name.
Enter User Name or Number or 'New' or 'Guest'
Login: Al
Logging on to The Rusty MailBox as Al
Time's up.
Connection closed by foreign host.
And on the terminal server screen I see this..
1/19 22:34:34 term 0053 Telnet connection accepted from: 127.0.0.1 port 40832 1/19 22:34:34 term 0053 Telnet Hostname: irondust.home [127.0.0.1] 1/19 22:34:34 term Node 1 Loading configuration files from /sbbs/ctrl
1/19 22:34:34 term Node 1 socket 53 attached to local interface 127.0.0.1 port 23
1/19 22:34:34 term Node 1 10:34p Thu Jan 19 2023 Node 1
1/19 22:34:34 term Node 1 Telnet irondust.home [127.0.0.1]
1/19 22:34:35 term Node 1 Telnet Speed: 38400 bps
1/19 22:34:35 term Node 1 terminal type: 80x30 LINUX
1/19 22:34:37 term Node 1 <Al> Ran out of time
1/19 22:34:38 term Node 1 <Al> (0001) Al Out of logons 1/19 22:34:38 term Node 1 <Al> logout initiated
1/19 22:34:39 term Node 1 thread terminated (0 node threads remain, 1 clients served)
Hello MRO,
go into the user editor and give yourself time. check your sl , credits, and minutes. make sure scfg isnt open. open scfg and make sure your new user values are decent. create a new user via telnet
to test it.
That is what I have done. After logging in I am logged off and looking at my (or another) account in uedit the security level, password and time fields are blank.
I can update those fields in uedit and then log in again briefly before being logged out because "Time's up."
I can't seem to get passed this.
Hello MRO,
go into the user editor and give yourself time. check your sl , credits, and minutes. make sure scfg isnt open. open scfg and make sure your new user values are decent. create a new user via telnet
to test it.
That is what I have done. After logging in I am logged off and looking at
my
(or another) account in uedit the security level, password and time fields are blank.
I can update those fields in uedit and then log in again briefly before being logged out because "Time's up."
I can't seem to get passed this.
being logged out because "Time's up."
I can't seem to get passed this.
wow something is seriously screwed up then.
if you want i can teamviewer you while you watch.
the session key only works once.
i sent a msg to sysop on trmb.ca:2030
This is not an upgrade from 3.19. I just grabbed the source with git so it is purely 3.20. Would that make a difference?
Possibly, but I couldn't guess/say *why* it makes a difference yet.
If you use a user editor to set the user's level correctly (e.g. 99 for the sysop), and then login, do you see anything different in the terminal server log output? Which user editor are you using to set the security level?
If you can't login, how are you able to run uedit?
I can't seem to get passed this.
I'm committed to helping you find the solution too as it's very likely a bug introduced in v3.20, but only manifesting on your system/configuration for some reason.
The data/user/user.tab file is plain text and if you compare before/after logging in or editing with a user editor, that may be very helpful in root-causing the issue.
Re: Out of logons?
By: Digital Man to Al on Fri Jan 20 2023 03:47 pm
If you use a user editor to set the user's level correctly (e.g. 99 for the sysop), and then login, do you see anything different in the terminal server log output? Which user editor are you using to set the security level?
Yes, if I set the security level to 99 and set the password I can log in briefly but am logged off after a few seconds. I just see "Time's up." and then I am disconnected.
I am using "exec/uedit" from the /sbbs directory.
Re: Out of logons?
By: Digital Man to Al on Fri Jan 20 2023 03:55 pm
If you can't login, how are you able to run uedit?
I run exec/uedit from the /sbbs directory.
I can't seem to get passed this.
I'm committed to helping you find the solution too as it's very likely a bug introduced in v3.20, but only manifesting on your system/configuration for some reason.
I appreciate it.
The data/user/user.tab file is plain text and if you compare before/after logging in or editing with a user editor, that may be very helpful in root-causing the issue.
The issue seems to be that the user.tab file is missing the security level, minutes, and password info. Possibly others, I am not sure.
I can enter those values with uedit but they go missing shortly after login.
Can you diff the files or provide them to me as "before" and "after"
for comparison? This might be me the clue I need to know what's
happening to it.
Hello Digital,
Can you diff the files or provide them to me as "before" and "after" for comparison? This might be me the clue I need to know what's happening to it.
Sorry, I don't have a diff but if you grab..
http://trmb.ca/usertab.zip
It contains user.tab.orig as sbbs saves it, and user.tab.uedit as uedit saves it after I have added level 99, 500 minutes, all
the
exemptions and the password.
I am using "exec/uedit" from the /sbbs directory.
okay i didnt know you were using a linux version of synchronet.
did you say that in the beginning and i didnt catch that?
you should reset all your permissions and take ownership.
I installed a fresh v3.20a on a new Linux system and did not encounter this issue:
Maybe try deleting your data/user/* files and logging on as new again and immediately save a copy of the created user.tab file (as soon as its created during the new user process) and share that with me.
Re: Out of logons?
By: Digital Man to Al on Sat Jan 21 2023 01:06 am
I installed a fresh v3.20a on a new Linux system and did not encounterthis
issue:
Sorry DM, I didn't mean to send you on one of my rodeo's.
Maybe try deleting your data/user/* files and logging on as new again and immediately save a copy of the created user.tab file (as soon as its created during the new user process) and share that with me.
I am not sure why but after deleting data/user/* and creating a new account things are working normally. Maybe I didn't have enough of the initial setup done when I first logged in.
The new user.tab looks a fair bit different, it is here if you'd like to look.
http://trmb.ca/newusertab.zip
http://trmb.ca/newusertab.zip
Yeah, it looks normal now. I wonder if you maybe you had run 'jsexec update' or 'upgrade_to_v320' as part of your installation? That's not a normal step in installation and could maybe have been an element of creating this scenario.
Re: Out of logons?
By: Digital Man to Al on Sat Jan 21 2023 11:22 am
http://trmb.ca/newusertab.zip
Yeah, it looks normal now. I wonder if you maybe you had run 'jsexec update' or 'upgrade_to_v320' as part of your installation? That's not a normal step in installation and could maybe have been an element of creating this scenario.
I haven't run 'upgrade_to_v320' but I did run 'jsexec update'. That was some hours (maybe 6-24) after the install and initial setup. The update ran successfully but didn't report doing anything.
I had a very light initial setup done, my name and BBS name but not much else. I didn't have my message options or BBSID set at the time when I first logged in.
If you hadn't yet created any users, that might just be the key-clue I needed.
I had a very light initial setup done, my name and BBS name but not
much else. I didn't have my message options or BBSID set at the
time when I first logged in.
Cool, with that info, I'll see if I can reproduce the symptom.
Hello Digital,
If you hadn't yet created any users, that might just be the key-clue I needed.
No, just my own sysop account and guest.
I had a very light initial setup done, my name and BBS name but not
much else. I didn't have my message options or BBSID set at the
time when I first logged in.
Cool, with that info, I'll see if I can reproduce the symptom.
I have changed some of my default login options and am now getting the "Times up." message again.
1. I changed my editor to Syledit.
2. I disabled the spinning pause prompt.
3. I changed the default mail scan to search for new personal messages instead of a new mail scan.
4. I changed the default transfer protocol. I hit "q" at that prompt so there is no default protocol. I do that so I can choose
zmodem when I am remote and local copy when I am local.
I think one of those changes may have caused the issue.
4. I changed the default transfer protocol. I hit "q" at that prompt so there is no default protocol. I do that so I can
choose
zmodem when I am remote and local copy when I am local.
I think one of those changes may have caused the issue.
I think one of those changes may have caused the issue.
What method did you use to make those changes to your user settings?
Hello Digital,
I think one of those changes may have caused the issue.
What method did you use to make those changes to your user settings?
I was logged in with telnet using plain old telnet, "telnet localhost". That's the way I access the BBS if I am local.
Thanks for your patience and bug report (for ignoring the noise from others offering their unhelpful input).
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