So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this? 40 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And some people vaccinated are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back. New York City is paying 100 bucks to anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State? Whats happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isreal yesterday. I wonder if he'll be allowed back. Here we GO again!
So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this? 4 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And some people vaccinated are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back. New York City is paying 100 bucks to anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on your State? Whats happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isr yesterday. I wonder if he'll be allowed back. Here we GO again!
|03 HusTler
Quoting Hustler to All <=-
So what does everyone think about this Covid shit?
40 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF??
some people vaccinated are getting the Delta strain.
Masks are back.
New York City is paying 100 bucks to anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated.
What's going on in your State?
I would like to see progress on vaccines for kids. Daycares and schools and things are still a sticky issue since we still can't vaccinate anyone under
So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this? 40 rcent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And some people vaccinat
are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back. New York City is paying 100 buc
to anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State? Wh
s happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isreal yesterday. I w
der if he'll be allowed back. Here we GO again!
I was reading some stats last week, and out of specific collectives (immuno-deficitary people, obese people etc) there is not much of a reason to rush and vaccinate people under 45 or so. People 45+ seems to be the ones hitting the hospitals so much that they render any other age group insignificant.
To the point that if somebody mentions that with 50% of the population vaccinated, around 40% of hospital cases have had the vaccine here, they will tell you "It is 50% of the general population which is vaccinated, but 97% of the population that is likely to hit hospital from the virus."
So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this? 40 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And some people vaccinated are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back. New York City is paying 100 bucks to anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State? Whats happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isreal yesterday. I wonder if he'll be allowed back. Here we GO again!
|03 HusTler
So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this? 40 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And some people vaccinated are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back. New York City is paying 100 bucks to anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State? Whats happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isreal yesterday. I wonder if he'll be allowed back. Here we GO again!
So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is
this? 40 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And
In Korea here. We have the benefit of relatively homogenous society and not many conspiracy nuts, so mask compliance has been near-perfect since
I'm still hopeful that the end is coming soon. I'm not super worried about all the variants. If a virus is not contagious enough, it dies out. If it's too deadly, it dies out. Etc. etc. Viruses mutate a lot and they
I had heard that the vaccines are something like 95% effective (I don't remember the exact number), so it's possible for a vaccinated person to stil get covid.. Recently I've been hearing the vaccines are still effective against the delta variant but not as much (I think 60% or something?). I'm bit disappointed to hear the effectiveness against delta isn't quite as much against the other variants.
So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is
In Spain, about half the population is vaccinated and the acceptance rate for the vaccine is around 98% or so.
Masks are not mandatory but everybody keeps wearing them.
The media and the government are throwing the message that "everything is alright" but I don't think people is buying it. The population is more relaxed now than at the begining but that is not saying much.
So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is
this? 40 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And
check this shit out
https://youtu.be/8raCKcm16pw
check this shit out
https://youtu.be/8raCKcm16pw
I had heard that the vaccines are something like 95% effective (I don't remember the exact number), so it's possible for a vaccinated person to still get covid.. Recently I've been hearing the vaccines are still effective against the delta variant but not as much (I think 60% or
isn't quite as much as against the other variants.
I've heard the delta variant makes up the majority of new covid cases where I live now.
It would be nice for things to get back to normal..
I wonder if the vaccine makers will come up with a booster to increase effectiveness against the delta & others.
and they
I hope you're right. The people in my state are fools and insist on not getting vaccinated. All they keep saying is they don't trust the government and the vaccine. They have no proof of wrong doing by neither but insist they're not getting vaccinated. Even when the government will pay them
My main concern is the fact that 48 percent of Health Care workers are not vaccinted. Can you imagine a family member going into the hospital for a simple procedure and then dying from Covid transmittined by their nurse? Holy crap! And here in New York more then half of the workers in Nursing Homes are not vaccinated. I'd probably just torch the hospital if that happend to my family but that's just me.
Hello MRO!
** On Tuesday 03.08.21 - 11:05, MRO wrote to HusTler:
check this shit out
https://youtu.be/8raCKcm16pw
There are many respected Drs/virologists who are simply not
getting heard on mainstream media about this very thing, ADE.
I think Robert F Kennedy Jr was among the first to come forward
with this concern.
My main concern is the fact that 48 percent of Health Care workers are
not vaccinted. Can you imagine a family member going into the hospital for a simple procedure and then dying from Covid transmittined by their nurse?
call be a fool. my mom died of covid and i'm not getting it.
Quoting Nightfox to Hustler <=-
I had heard that the vaccines are something like 95% effective
so it's possible for a vaccinated person to still get covid.
Recently I've been hearing the vaccines
are still effective against the delta variant but not as much (I think
60% or something?).
It would be nice for things to get back to normal..
I wonder if the vaccine makers will come up with a booster to increase effectiveness against the delta & others.
Quoting Hustler to Ksource <=-
I hope you're right. The people in my state are fools and insist on
not getting vaccinated.
All they keep saying is they don't trust the
government and the vaccine.
They have no proof of wrong doing by
neither but insist they're not getting vaccinated.
Even when the government will pay them $100.00 US dollars to do so.
Quoting Hustler to Arelor <=-
My main concern is the fact that 48 percent of Health Care workers
are not vaccinted.
Can you imagine a family member going into the
hospital for a simple procedure and then dying from Covid
transmittined by their nurse?
Holy crap! And here in New York more
then half of the workers in Nursing Homes are not vaccinated.
Quoting Ogg to Mro <=-
Now.. all of a sudden, if anyone enters hospital to be treated
for a flu (no matter what pre-conditions like the above) ..is
registered to have died of covid.
Dr. What wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
Quoting Nightfox to Hustler <=-
I had heard that the vaccines are something like 95% effective
That depends on what you mean by "effective".
Effective = stopping COVID - 0% effective.
Effective = reducing death from COVID - it's probably in the 90%
range. But the vaccine has a 33% chance of killing the patient
and the chances of death by COVID for most age groups is less
than 0.1%.
But the vaccine has a 33% chance of killing the patient and the chances
Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-
I had heard that the vaccines are something like 95% effective (I don't remember the exact number), so it's possible for a vaccinated person to still get covid..
Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-
I had heard that the vaccines are something like 95% effective (I don't remember the exact number), so it's possible for a vaccinated person to still get covid..
And you're much less likely to die, because the severity will be lessened.
they already know covid viruses mutate with vaccines and can't be controlled with vaccines, but they did it anyways.
Quoting Gamgee to Dr. What <=-
Seriously? You're claiming that the vaccine kills 33% of those who
get it? Is that what you're saying?
Don't be a fucking idiot/whacko.
Quoting Arelor to Dr. What <=-
I think a 33% chance would be so obscene as to ring some alarms,
really.
Quoting Mro to Poindexter Fortran <=-
how do you know that? the severity is already lessened. most people
have no symptoms.
they already know covid viruses mutate with vaccines and can't be controlled with vaccines, but they did it anyways. -!-
You do hear it from the medical community. Ex: Why do you think many
So, all the COVID vax does is boost people's immune system (if it
So, all the COVID vax does is boost people's immune system (if it
doesn't cause a serious side effect). So people still get COVID. They
show fewer/lesser symptoms. But they still shed the virus and spread
it. And, as you point out, they also shed the mutations.
My main concern is the fact that 48 percent of Health Care workers are not va
inted. Can you imagine a family member going into the hospital for a simple pr
edure and then dying from Covid transmittined by their nurse? Holy crap! And h
e in New York more then half of the workers in Nursing Homes are not vaccinate
I'd probably just torch the hospital if that happend to my family but that's st me.
i tried to find this other video i had but i cant find it. it's another big sho
virologist who is now dead. he said fauchi doesnt even understand how viruses >work and he's just a suit.
Dr. What wrote to GAMGEE <=-
Seriously? You're claiming that the vaccine kills 33% of those who
get it? Is that what you're saying?
Yes, that's what the data shows.
Don't be a fucking idiot/whacko.
Ahhh.. Standard Leftie Elite. When faced with facts that counter
your false Narrative, it's dismiss the facts and start with the
personal attacks.
Zombie Mambo wrote to Dr. What <=-
So, all the COVID vax does is boost people's immune system (if it
So, all the COVID vax does is boost people's immune system (if it
doesn't cause a serious side effect). So people still get COVID. They
show fewer/lesser symptoms. But they still shed the virus and spread
it. And, as you point out, they also shed the mutations.
Interesting that in 2017 I think it was Boston College (i'd have
to find it) was gratned $$ to do a study on mice where they
inserted a molecule-sized sac of some chemical into their brain.
When stimulated with a low level frequency, the bags burst and
the chemical was deployed.
The chemical either stimulated hunger, or satsified hunger.
"Watch, we make mice hungry" play sound, mouse eats.
"Watch, we make mice not hungry" play sound, mouse ignores food.
Guess how the molecule with the sac was delivered to the brain?
Yep. Vaccine.
So ask yourself, is it coincidence that the govt. wants everyone vaccinated?
Maybe they figured out how to turn on/off your political
affilliation.
Vaccinated people can also spread it. They just supposedly won't get as sick if they come down with it as an unvaccinated person would. The government and press are also saying that the unvaccinated population is where the virus is likely to mutate.
i tried to find this other video i had but i cant find it. it's another big sho
virologist who is now dead. he said fauchi doesnt even understand how viruses >work and he's just a suit.
There are people in the FIDO Politics echo who think that Fauci is above reproach.
Oh look! It's Beavis and Butthead having a conversation.
How cute^H^H^H^H pathetic.
... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this?
we had just 4 deaths on Friday, 3 of them under 5.Correction - 3 of them under 50... sorry. Didn't notice the typo until after I hit Send.
Zombie Mambo wrote to Dr. What <=-
Funny how less than a month later the news is telling is only
unvaccinated people are getting it. Not true! Close coworker of mine
got the vax a few weeks ago, and tested positive for covid just now.
All those medial workers who are against it will get it soon enough tho
if they want to keep their jobs. Biden admin pushing business to force
it for them...
Curious why businesses aren't asking employees to prove they've been vaccinated for Small Pox, and other things that are way more serious
than covid...
Zombie Mambo wrote to Dr. What <=-
Maybe they figured out how to turn on/off your political affilliation.
Dr. What wrote to Zombie Mambo <=-
Funny how less than a month later the news is telling is only
unvaccinated people are getting it. Not true! Close coworker of mine
got the vax a few weeks ago, and tested positive for covid just now.
Some areas are reporting that upwards of 70% of new cases are
from the vaccinated.
Dr. What wrote to GAMGEE <=-
Ahhh.. Standard Leftie Elite. When faced with facts that counter your false Narrative, it's dismiss the facts and start with the personal attacks.
Vaccinated people can also spread it. They just supposedly won't get as sick if they come down with it as an unvaccinated person would. The government and press are also saying that the unvaccinated population is where the virus is likely to mutate.
i would like to know the 'science' behind that, though. why do they think that
and is it even possible? and how would they know since most people have minimal
symptoms?
Texas Education Adm
inistration has told schools they don't have to quarantine for close contact or
contact families if a case is found in the school, it'll be a mess. My daughte
Also around here going about town ANYWHERE you see zero masks. Our county 4-5
eeks ago had on average 10 cases a day and about 8 hospitalized. Now we're up
about 160 new cases a day and hospitalized is up to about 120 with 12 on vent
The entire last month we had 4 deaths, we had just 4 deaths on Friday, 3 of em under 5.
Texas and Florida are royally screwed as their governors just don't care... th
're putting the will of their campaign contributers first and not the safety o
our healthcare and educational systems.
we had just 4 deaths on Friday, 3 of them under 5.Correction - 3 of them under 50... sorry. Didn't notice the typo until after hit Send.
The smallpox vaccine is actually a vaccine and has been through the years of trials so that we know the problems with it.
... A nudist has no reason to fear a pickpocket.
I guess a virus has to have a host to mutate in.
So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is
this?
Dallas are already reporting fully hositals with many others shutting down their ER's due to zero room. And school hasn't even started yet.
It's a mess for sure thanks to our state's failed leadership.
over it, after a hospital stay, but it did damage to his heart values and that contributed to his early death.
A lot of people get it and barely have symptoms but, if you do get it, it could really kick your ass.
There are people in the FIDO Politics echo who think that Fauci is above reproach.
Some areas are reporting that upwards of 70% of new cases are from the vaccinated.
Curious why businesses aren't asking employees to prove they've been
vaccinated for Small Pox, and other things that are way more serious
than covid...
The smallpox vaccine is actually a vaccine and has been through the years of trials so that we know the problems with it.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Dr. What <=-
Dr. What wrote to GAMGEE <=-
Ahhh.. Standard Leftie Elite. When faced with facts that counter your false Narrative, it's dismiss the facts and start with the personal attacks.
Please explain how this is in any way different from how the Right behaves?
Quoting Dumas Walker to Mro <=-
How they explain it in layman's terms is that the unvaxed do not have
the antibodies that a vaxed person would have. So, while the
antibodies fight off the virus before it can mutate in a vaxed person,
an unvaxed person is likely to be sicker longer and give the virus a longer chance to start mutating.
I guess a virus has to have a host to mutate in.
Show me a link/reference that says 33% of people who get the vaccine
have died.
Dr. What wrote to Zombie Mambo <=-
Funny how less than a month later the news is telling is only unvaccinated people are getting it. Not true! Close coworker of mine got the vax a few weeks ago, and tested positive for covid just now.
Some areas are reporting that upwards of 70% of new cases are
from the vaccinated.
Really? That's just the opposite of what I've seen reported. In fact,
what I'm seeing reported is that 95+ % of new cases are from the UN-vaccinated.
Would you mind telling us where these "some areas" are, exactly and specifically? Also could you cite a reference/link of the "reporting"
that is saying this?
Or.... will you just not answer my questions, as you didn't answer the
other one(s) I asked you regarding your claim that 33% of those who get vaccinated *DIE* from the vaccine?
You can't just spew bullshit without somebody asking you to substantiate your claims. Here's your chance to actually make your case. Back up
what you say. Can you?
... All the easy problems have been solved.
i'm betting if they checked everyone for antibodies, almost
all of us had it. it's super contagious.
@MSGID: <61072396.5148.dove-debate@havens.synchronetbbs.org>percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And some people vaccinated
So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this? 40
Quoting Daitengu to Dr. What <=-
That number you're quoting is from an extremely small sample size in
an extremely isolated incident.
Quoting Mro to Dumas Walker <=-
i'm betting if they checked everyone for antibodies, almost all of us
had it. it's super contagious.
that being said, the percentage of people it kills is incredibly low,
and almost all of them had contributing factors.
it got my mom and she was the only woman in my family that didnt live
to be 80+. the women in my family are super tough. but mom was a big smoker and fat, and every year she would get some type of cold/flu
around nov-dec.
Quoting Zombie Mambo to Gamgee <=-
So, you see why many people refuse to play your game, its pointless.
And they already know your ability to consider another opinion is basically non existent, so why bother trying to ?
They are saying (ijn case you don't beleive the words) that the
current vaccines ARE NOT very effective against different and new
strains of covid.
Pay attention to other sources, get a better idea of what's really happening, before you try to belittle someone for making a fucking comment.
On 8/1/2021 6:43 PM, HUSTLER wrote to ALL:
@MSGID: <61072396.5148.dove-debate@havens.synchronetbbs.org>
So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this? 40percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And some people vaccinated
are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back. New York City is paying 100 bucks to
anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State? Whats happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isreal yesterday. I wonder if he'll
be allowed back. Here we GO again!
Masks are pointless unless you have a K95/N95.
If you dont get a vaccine and get sick to that virus you should not get paid
That number you're quoting is from an extremely small sample size in".. and what makes them [Lefties] tremendously dangerous is that facts that contridict what they believe are simply ignored or evaded."
an extremely isolated incident.
-- Thomas Sowell
Masks are back. New York City is paying
100 bucks to
anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State?
While yes, some vaccinated people are catching COVID-19, the overall number is very small.
DaiTengu
There are exactly two kinds of people in the FIDO Politics echo. One thinks uci is above reproach, the other things Fauci is a lying weasel that wants to e how far he can take this.
While yes, some vaccinated people are catching COVID-19, the overall number is very small.
There are exactly two kinds of people in the FIDO Politics echo. One thinks uci is above reproach, the other things Fauci is a lying weasel that wants to e how far he can take this.
I actually don't believe either. I believe he is an attention whore who seems to change his opinion much more often than other medical
professionals who are not in the media nearly as much. That is different than the second group as I don't think he lies on purpose or is trying to string this out... if anything, some of his opinions lately seem to me not to be serious enough.
First, I'm with you DaiTengu... this isn't a reply
[necessarily] disagreeing.. but I don't know IF that number
IS 'very small'. My point isn't that the other stance is
correct - we need to get this population vaccinated, NOW.
..I'm not convinced that ANY of us are getting perfect
info... transparency is so needed, and we haven't REALLY
had that this entire time.
You're forgetting that not everyone is a candidate. People with compromised or weak immune systems should not take it. A vaxx
does nothing in a person who has no immune system. People with sensitivities and allergies should not take it either.
That is likely so.
paulie420 wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON <=-
In Oregon, USA they are doing the same [bs] $100 bribe. And what about those of us who got vaxxed prior? NO, I don't want $100 to go do
something that *I* think you should, but I damn sure don't want to PAY from their [dumb]asses to go get vaccinated.
MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
you just need to look at his past. he's a media whore. he's hated by
his peers. some of the biggest guys in virology said he's nothing but a suit and knows nothing about viruses.
MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
you just need to look at his past. he's a media whore. he's hated by his peers. some of the biggest guys in virology said he's nothing but a suit and knows nothing about viruses.
Citations, please.
I'm picturing a bunch of jealous virologists sitting in a dank lab muttering because Fauci's on TV and they were just denied funding again.
I'm more worried about the precedent of people not acting in the common good unless paid to giv
crap about their community, and by extension, themselves.
I'm more worried about the precedent of people not acting in the common good unless paid to give a crap about their community, and by
extension, themselves.
In Oregon, USA they are doing the same [bs] $100 bribe. And what
about those of us who got vaxxed prior? NO, I don't want $100 to go
do something that *I* think you should, but I damn sure don't want
to PAY from their [dumb]asses to go get vaccinated.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: poindexter FORTRAN to paulie420 on Wed Aug 11 2021 07:52 am
In Oregon, USA they are doing the same [bs] $100 bribe. And what
about those of us who got vaxxed prior? NO, I don't want $100 to go
do something that *I* think you should, but I damn sure don't want
to PAY from their [dumb]asses to go get vaccinated.
So how much for the second shot? Or is it $50.00 each? What happens if they decide not to get the second shot?
In Oregon, USA they are doing the same [bs] $100 bribe. And what
about those of us who got vaxxed prior? NO, I don't want $100 to go
do something that *I* think you should, but I damn sure don't want
to PAY from their [dumb]asses to go get vaccinated.
So how much for the second shot? Or is it $50.00 each? What happens if they decide not to get the second shot?
I think a 33% chance would be so obscene as to ring some alarms,
really.
It is. But you won't hear it from the Propaganda Ministry.
You do hear it from the medical community. Ex: Why do you think many
health professionals are NOT getting the vax?
More evidence that you're a moron. I'm about as far from a Leftie as
one can get, other than you extreme fringe fanatics. I'm a staunch conservative and voted for Trump. My other postings here and elsewhere
are easy verifications of what I'm saying.
It's assholes like you that give the Right Wing a bad reputation.
Vaccinated people can also spread it. They just supposedly won't
get as sick if they come down with it as an unvaccinated person
would. The government and press are also saying that the
unvaccinated population is where the virus is likely to mutate.
i would like to know the 'science' behind that, though. why do they
think that? and is it even possible? and how would they know since
most people have minimal symptoms?
I don't think it is just TX and FL. In Kentucky, we are seeing
numbers now that, last year, would have got us locked down and mask- mandated by now. Instead, we only have mask-mandates in government buildings, and only suggestions elsewhere. Our governor is from the opposite party of yours, so I am wondering what the difference is vs.
last year. Only one I can figure is that, this time last year, a
different person was President so our governor is now more hesitant to
do things that might hurt the economy.
He is now 2 years into a 4 year term, so he also may be starting to
worry about getting re-elected himself.
A lot of people get it and barely have symptoms but, if you do get it, it could really kick your ass.
there are so many people that have got the shot dont even
have the anti bodies.
people like me who are healthy and probably have the
antibodies are the only ones that will be okay from a
health standpoint. but we will all suffer again with more
shutdowns and closed businesses. -+-
Tracker1 wrote to Gamgee <=-
On 8/6/2021 6:59 PM, Gamgee wrote:
More evidence that you're a moron. I'm about as far from a Leftie as
one can get, other than you extreme fringe fanatics. I'm a staunch conservative and voted for Trump. My other postings here and elsewhere
are easy verifications of what I'm saying.
It's assholes like you that give the Right Wing a bad reputation.
No shit... I'm a pretty pragmatic, conservative leaning
libertarian, have been for well over a decade now... I work in
the elections space, and it's been absolutely crazy. I
completely believe that there was various forms of stuffing and
fraud in the election, that it's pretty typical even... You
wouldn't believe the conspiracy bullshit I've gone through, the
threats, etc this past year... It's astounding.
Of course the "If you don't get the shot, you should get shot."
types are every bit as bad... I mean any sense of personal
liberty is just about out the window, and I'm in favor of most
getting vaccinated. My family has, I haven't (history of GBS).
Totally understand the distrust and the actions around the left
don't inspire anything resembling confidence, but the 33% number
is so far beyond bullshit it's not even funny.
HusTler wrote to All <=-
So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is
this? 40 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And
some people vaccinated are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back.
New York City is paying 100 bucks to anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State? Whats happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isreal yesterday. I wonder if he'll be allowed back. Here we GO again!
There's enough evidence showing it's less than fully effective, and that vaccinated can still be carriers (but much shorter periods of time, much lower transmission rates). Trace analysis and statistical models show
some of this as well, it's largely overblown though.
Didn't take the time to search harder for a COVID-19 specific reference,
but the same rules largely apply as they did with the SARS variant...
Hello MRO!
** On Friday 13.08.21 - 09:43, MRO wrote to HusTler:
there are so many people that have got the shot dont even
have the anti bodies.
How does that happen? (or not happen?) I never heard that
argument anywhere.
there are so many people that have got the shot dont
even have the anti bodies.
i heard it on the radio. the cdc did some announcement.
then they say it can be common with all vaccines.
it's obviously not effective if you can actually get the
virus after being vaccinated. -+-
Hello MRO!
** On Saturday 14.08.21 - 01:46, MRO wrote to Ogg:
there are so many people that have got the shot dont
even have the anti bodies.
[...]
i heard it on the radio. the cdc did some announcement.
then they say it can be common with all vaccines.
it's obviously not effective if you can actually get the
virus after being vaccinated. -+-
Thx. I read your original comment to mean that there were no
actual antibodies detected. But.. you mean that people still
I'd love to hear "the science" behind how likely is the alpha
version to be a risk out in the world now 18 months later.
It's probably died off, and the jab is innoculating people with
no effectiveness.
it's obviously not effective if you can actually get the virus after being vaccinated.
MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
this isnt wikipedia. i dont have to provide citations. you can use
google and find it easy. it goes all the way back to the 80s.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
If somebody trusts the vaccine he will be taking it because he wants
its benefits. If he doesn't, you can't tell him having it is a
patriotic or communitary act because, for him, the vaccine is no good.
You may as well tell him to inject water in the name of The Community.
Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to Ogg on Sat Aug 14 2021 01:46 am
it's obviously not effective if you can actually get the virus after being vaccinated.
I don't think anyone ever said it's 100% effective and would always
prevent
you from getting the virus. They say it reduces the chances of getting the virus though.
MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
this isnt wikipedia. i dont have to provide citations. you can use google and find it easy. it goes all the way back to the 80s.
If you can't provide credible citations, you're talking out of your ass again and will be ignored.
Yeah, if I hadn't had GBS, would definitely be getting the shot... still against government ordered mask mandates and lock-downs though.
I'd love to hear "the science" behind how likely is the alpha
version to be a risk out in the world now 18 months later.
It's probably died off, and the jab is innoculating people with
no effectiveness.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
If somebody trusts the vaccine he will be taking it because he wants its benefits. If he doesn't, you can't tell him having it is a patriotic or communitary act because, for him, the vaccine is no good. You may as well tell him to inject water in the name of The Community.
Benefits, like having a hospital bed open when s/he has a heart attack, stroke or other medical issue involving an ICU?
... No appropriate tagline.
Overall, I also am but came to realize that there are many more people than
I realized who will ignore "suggestions" of masks, social distancing, and
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Aug 13 2021 07:11 am
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
If somebody trusts the vaccine he will be taking it because he wants its benefits. If he doesn't, you can't tell him having it is a patriotic or communitary act because, for him, the vaccine is no good. You may as well tell him to inject water in the name of The Community.
Benefits, like having a hospital bed open when s/he has a heart attack, stroke or other medical issue involving an ICU?
I know nobody that, trusting the vaccine, takes it in order to offload the burden from
hospitals.
no longer trust the US government, period. I got the vaccinations which I'll probably regret someday. I now avoid people completely and wearing a mask is as routine as putting on a shirt. This is what works for me. If you have another way then good for you. I won't be having any empathy for people that get sick and die from covid. My feeling is they were given the opportunity to prevent it and refused the vacination. It's the same as a smoker dying of lung cancer. I know people that believe their smoking doesn't hurt their
Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-
I'm sorry, but if roughly 20% of the general population (33% of 60%)
died in the past year, I think more people would have noticed. Even if either number is inflated, more than 1% of the population dying within
a year would be deeply noticed.
MRO wrote to HusTler <=-
there are so many people that have got the shot dont even have the anti bodies.
when winter comes around, here comes the shit show. doesnt matter if
you have a mask, vaccine or not vaccine.
people like me who are healthy and probably have the antibodies are the only ones that will be okay from a health standpoint. but we will all suffer again with more shutdowns and closed businesses.
Tracker1 wrote to Gamgee <=-
Of course the "If you don't get the shot, you should get shot." types
are every bit as bad... I mean any sense of personal liberty is just
about out the window, and I'm in favor of most getting vaccinated.
Tracker1 wrote to MRO <=-
There's enough evidence showing it's less than fully effective, and
that vaccinated can still be carriers (but much shorter periods of
time, much lower transmission rates). Trace analysis and statistical models show some of this as well, it's largely overblown though.
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
I don't think anyone ever said it's 100% effective and would always prevent you from getting the virus.
They say it reduces the chances of getting the virus though.
Winter is also known as "low Vitamin D season" and vitamin D has long been known to
help with the immune system. Those of us who live in the northern parts shoul
be
taking a vitamin D suppliment pretty much all year long.
Our country has had a problem with the Elites for a long time.
The Elites are people who believe that they are born to rule. That they are "better" than every one else. That everyone should just give up their rights and do what the Elites tell them because they can run things sooo much better than the rest of us.
Quoting Hustler to Dr. What <=-
The Elites are people who believe that they are born to rule. That they are "better" than every one else. That everyone should just give up their rights and do what the Elites tell them because they can run things sooo much better than the rest of us.
Who do you consider "ELites"??
Quoting Hustler to Dr. What <=-
The Elites are people who believe that they are born to rule. That they are "better" than every one else. That everyone should just give up their rights and do what the Elites tell them because they can run things sooo much better than the rest of us.
Who do you consider "ELites"??
I made that clear in my message quoted above. But if you want names,
here's a few:
Pelosi
Clintons
Fauci
And you can include anyone who takes what these people say as though
it's the word of God.
Quoting Mro to Dr. What <=-
i think you mean these people https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-center/lifestyle/who-owns-your-news- the-top-100-digital-news-outlets-and-their-ownership/#:~:text=About%2015 %20billionaires%20and%20six,Amusements%20(which%20includes%20Viacom%20In c.
https://tinyurl.com/4hjjjf4v
Quoting Mro to Dr. What <=-
i think you mean these people https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-center/lifestyle/who-owns-your-news- the-top-100-digital-news-outlets-and-their-ownership/#:~:text=About%201 5 %20billionaires%20and%20six,Amusements%20(which%20includes%20Viacom%2 0In c.
https://tinyurl.com/4hjjjf4v
I can't tell. I BBS on my Compaq Portable 386 (red gas plasma display
and no internet). So links - even short ones - aren't going to get hand typed in.
So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this? 40 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And some people vaccinated are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back. New York City is paying 100 bucks to anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State? Whats happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isreal yesterday. I wonder if he'll be allowed back. Here we GO again!
|03 HusTler
Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
It is also the time of year when people are packed indoors more and not going outside as much. Viruses usually love people packed together in
an indoor environment.
Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
It is also the time of year when people are packed indoors more and not going outside as much. Viruses usually love people packed together in
an indoor environment.
not going outside as much. Viruses usually love people packed
together in an indoor environment.
That is true, but the infections rate is raising.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Dumas Walker on Fri Aug 27 2021 02:51 am
not going outside as much. Viruses usually love people packed
together in an indoor environment.
That is true, but the infections rate is raising.
Now they call it "the unvaccinated virus". hmmmmm
|07 HusTler
who knows if this is true, but i've read here and there that it's important at there's a lot of DELTA infections so it will decrease the likelyhood of in
ctions with the LAMBDA variant which is supposed to be much worse.
i had covid and i'm okay after about 10 days. i did have 3 bad days of various
ssues. i'm pretty sure i had delta.
MRO wrote to plt <=-
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to MRO on Sun Aug 29 2021 01:12 am
who knows if this is true, but i've read here and there that it's important that there's a lot of DELTA infections so it will decrease the likelyhood of infections with the LAMBDA variant which is supposed to be much worse.
That is not good. If everyone would take this more serious by getting their shot, wear a mask, stop fighting the mask requirements and keep our social distance we can slow the virus down.
i guess you cant read.
it's important there's a lot of delta infections.
it's important.
plt wrote to MRO <=-
That is not good. If everyone would take this more serious by getting their shot, wear a mask, stop fighting the mask requirements and keep
our social distance we can slow the virus down.
plt wrote to MRO <=-
WEAR A MASK.
plt wrote to MRO <=-
WEAR A MASK.
Repeating a falsehood over and over doesn't make it true.
... A nuclear war can ruin your whole day...
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to MRO on Sun Aug 29 2021 04:27 pm
it's important there's a lot of delta infections.
it's important.
WEAR A MASK.
fuck you. i did wear a mask and i still got sick.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to plt on Sun Aug 29 2021 18:38:26
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to MRO on Sun Aug 29 2021 04:27 pm
it's important there's a lot of delta infections.
it's important.
WEAR A MASK.
fuck you. i did wear a mask and i still got sick.
For those then its on them if they get the virus.
year ago.
the virus cant be slowed down. we cant flatten the curve.
No bull shit. Look and see the facts. The virus is nothing to bull shit over.
WEAR A MASK.
fuck you. i did wear a mask and i still got sick.
That is childish language for a individual that is adult. Wearing a mask and social distance help prevent the spread of the virus. Thanks to Trump for playing down the issue when it started, it could have prevented more people from getting infected.
Since the start I took measures to protected my self, so I never do it. One thing I never listen to Trump B.S when this all started.
plt wrote to Dr. What <=-
WEAR A MASK.
Repeating a falsehood over and over doesn't make it true.
What are you refering to? Wearing mask helps prevent the spread of the virus.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
poor phil is seriously on the kool aid. he's repeating bullshit from a year ago.
the virus cant be slowed down. we cant flatten the curve.
plt wrote to MRO <=-
That is childish language for a individual that is adult. Wearing a
mask and social distance help prevent the spread of the virus.
Thanks
to Trump for playing down the issue when it started, it could have prevented more people from getting infected.
Since the start I took measures to protected my self, so I never do it.
One thing I never listen to Trump B.S when this all started.
What are you refering to? Wearing mask helps prevent the spread of the virus.
We have decades of studies showing otherwise.
The only people who say masks work (in general) are the Leftie Control Freaks, their Propaganda Ministry and the sheeple who blindly believe what they say.
There are very narrow situations where masks help. But general mandating of masks is simply ignorant.
if masks worked, we'd be wearing masks for hundreds of years and most people wouldnt get sick.
also in china they were wearing masks for a long time. i don't think it ever really helped them.
plt wrote to Dr. What <=-
WEAR A MASK.
Repeating a falsehood over and over doesn't make it true.
What are you refering to? Wearing mask helps prevent the spread of the virus.
We have decades of studies showing otherwise.
The only people who say masks work (in general) are the Leftie Control Freaks, their Propaganda Ministry and the sheeple who
blindly believe what they say.
There are very narrow situations where masks help. But general mandating of masks is simply ignorant.
... War never decides who is right, only who is left.
also in china they were wearing masks for a long time. i don't think it ever really helped them.
I don't think masks are (or were ever) 100% effective in preventing disease. They just reduce the chances of spreading it, not totally prevent it.
Try reading stuff posted by CDC. It helps prevent is but social distance in a must.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Dr. What on Mon Aug 30 2021 07:20 pm
Try reading stuff posted by CDC. It helps prevent is but social distance in a must.
then what? we should turn on CNN and turn the volume all the way up?
cut our dicks off and dye our hair purple?
cut our dicks off and dye our hair purple?
WEAR A MASK.
fuck you. i did wear a mask and i still got sick.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
if masks worked, we'd be wearing masks for hundreds of years and most people wouldnt get sick.
also in china they were wearing masks for a long time. i don't think it ever really helped them.
plt wrote to Dr. What <=-
Try reading stuff posted by CDC. It helps prevent is but social
distance in a must.
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
I don't think masks are (or were ever) 100% effective in preventing disease. They just reduce the chances of spreading it, not totally prevent it.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to plt on Mon Aug 30 2021 21:16:09
cut our dicks off and dye our hair purple?
Your mother did not teach you any manners.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to plt on Sun Aug 29 2021 06:38 pm
WEAR A MASK.
fuck you. i did wear a mask and i still got sick.
You got it from someone that didn't wear a mask or someone you had sex with?
They were mostly wearing masks due to the air pollution. Those particles are large enough where a mask will help somewhat. Sort of like wearing a mask when you are doing woodworking with lots of sanding.
The N-95s are effective in keeping the wearer safe - if they are properly fitted (and most are not).
plt wrote <=-
Try reading stuff posted by CDC.
They also have studies that show that masks don't work and that the COVID "vaccine" is not a vaccine.
plt wrote <=-
Try reading stuff posted by CDC.
Those who follow the CDC as a godly presence are pretty brainwashed. The CDC itself does NOT do most of the drug testing, they
outsource it to a company headed by a Dr. Grady. Ms. Grady just somehow happens to be married to another Doctor... Anthony
Fauci.
Fauci himself has been caught on more than one occasion talking out of both sides of his mouth depending on the day of the week
it
happens to be. If one thinks for one second that Fauci is NOT allowing his twisted thinking influence the CDC through pillow
talk
then one does not know human nature.
The CDC's latest readings have to do with the fact that guns are an illness. I was totally unaware that a steel object was a disease! Talk about conspiracy theories - it's quite easy to come up with one
that
the left is using the CDC to help destroy amendments of the Constitution of the United States.
As long as humans run ANY part of government it will faulter and error.
Ennev wrote to Dr. What <=-
The N-95s are effective in keeping the wearer safe - if they are properly fitted (and most are not).
Especially when you see that they don't even fit it over the nose. Why wear it then?
plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
That is B.S what your saying. You really need to stop talking Trump
trash.
Sounds like you listen to Mr. Trump to much.
plt wrote <=-
Try reading stuff posted by CDC.
Those who follow the CDC as a godly presence are pretty brainwashed. The CDC itself does NOT do most of the drug testing, they
outsource it to a company headed by a Dr. Grady. Ms. Grady just somehow happens to be married to another Doctor... Anthony
Fauci.
Fauci himself has been caught on more than one occasion talking out of both sides of his mouth depending on the day of the week
it
happens to be. If one thinks for one second that Fauci is NOT allowing his twisted thinking influence the CDC through pillow
talk
then one does not know human nature.
The CDC's latest readings have to do with the fact that guns are an illness. I was totally unaware that a steel object was a disease! Talk about conspiracy theories - it's quite easy to come up with one
that
the left is using the CDC to help destroy amendments of the Constitution of the United States.
As long as humans run ANY part of government it will faulter and error.
... Old horticulturists never die, they just go to pot.
plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
That is B.S what your saying. You really need to stop talking Trump trash.
It's B.S. with video evidence. Of course, since you obviously only get your information from CNN, you won't know any of that.
Sounds like you listen to Mr. Trump to much.
Sounds like we have another TDS victim here.
plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
Sounds like you listen to Mr. Trump to much.
plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
This has nothing to do with guns its about the true facts that you fail
to understand.
plt;
plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
This has nothing to do with guns its about the true facts that you fail to understand.
Then why is the CDC saying guns are an illness? You fail to accept the facts as they exist. I'm neither left or right, I review the facts.
... Old mathematicians never die, they just disintegrate.
plt;
plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
Sounds like you listen to Mr. Trump to much.
Fact check it. Sounds like your lubing up your liberal anal cavity too much.
... Old beekeepers never die, they just buzz off.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Brian Rogers on Thu Sep 02 2021 02:13 am
I have noticed this place has started devolving into an usenet-like area since people started insulting other people instead of using arguments.
I enjoy some sporadic flame every now and then, but this one lacks substance. It is not even fun to watch. Therefore I suggest next time anybody here thinks of accusing somebody else of being damaged at birth or being stupid or being a bidenist or a trumpstian or whatever that he comes with a proper argument for his case instead of an insult, or just says silent.
Thanks.
if masks worked, we'd be wearing masks for hundreds of years and most people wouldnt get sick.
also in china they were wearing masks for a long time. i don't think it ever really helped them.
plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
It has nothing to do with CDC. Try and stay on topic next time.
plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
Your the one talking crazy not me. May be when you where born the
doctor slaped in in the head and not in the ass and that is why you got
so much damage in in your brian.
plt;
plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
It has nothing to do with CDC. Try and stay on topic next time.
You're the one who brought up the CDC, not I, thus making it part of the topic at hand.
plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I was talking about CDC and the individual that reply to the message included guns which has nothing to do with the CDC.
plt;
plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I was talking about CDC and the individual that reply to the message included guns which has nothing to do with the CDC.
If you've been paying that much attention about the CDC you'd know:
- they're trying to make gun control part of their umbrella, a point you
seem to fail to accept.
- they don't test drugs, they outsource to the NIH who drafts results in which
the CDC uses for their reports. The NIH is headed by Dr. Grady - Fauci's wife!
- several members of the CDC resigned due to the ill-doings of the
Biden administration... which shows that those who stay are only
giving rulings for the sake of the liberals not because it's fact.
I don't see where any of my bullet points were off-topic, but I'll let you have your 15 minutes of gloating fame.
... Old students never die, they just get degraded.
wouldn't believe the conspiracy bullshit I've gone through, the
threats, etc this past year... It's astounding.
Yeah, the lefties play dirty when they see their scams under attack.
I know. Not sure how anyone with *ANY* intelligence can claim that 33%
of all people who get vaccinated, die. That's roughly 60 Million people dead, and he thinks that wouldn't be in the news. I've quit responding
to both of the Beavis and Butthead idiots because they're just too
stupid to waste any time on.
Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-
Tr> I'm sorry, but if roughly 20% of the general population (33% of 60%)
Tr> died in the past year, I think more people would have noticed. Even if
Tr> either number is inflated, more than 1% of the population dying within
Tr> a year would be deeply noticed.
You are assuming that "noticed" means "reported".
The vaccine negative impact system is not a mandatory use system and is notorious for not being very good.
Of course, you won't hear any of this from the Propaganda Ministry, who have been sinning by omission for decades.
There's enough evidence showing it's less than fully effective, and
that vaccinated can still be carriers (but much shorter periods of
time, much lower transmission rates). Trace analysis and statistical
models show some of this as well, it's largely overblown though.
The COVID vax type is not a sterlizing vaccine. All it was supposed
to do is build up immunity. And there's plenty of evidence that it's
not working very well for that.
But they've known from day 1 that the vax would not prevent people
from getting COVID and being carriers. The vax was NEVER supposed
to do that.
But they've known from day 1 that the vax would not prevent people
from getting COVID and being carriers. The vax was NEVER supposed
to do that.
Again, that's how vaccines generally work... there have always been breakthrough cases, but the infection rates, length of illness and
spread factors are greatly reduced.
Brian Rogers wrote to plt <=-
Typical left winger, when you have no substance to say go for the name calling.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Again, that's how vaccines generally work... there have
always been breakthrough cases, but the infection rates,
length of illness and spread factors are greatly reduced.
okay but these vaccines are a joke. i got covid from a
jerkoff that had the vaccine. he got sicker than me.
whats the point of getting a vaccine. where's the proof
that it 'won't be as bad'
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I don't think any side gets the moral high ground here.
Of course, you won't hear any of this from the Propaganda Ministry, who ha been sinning by omission for decades.
In a country where anyone can report on things, and social media spreads faster than infection vectors, it would absolutely have been reported. Anything else is purely delusional.
okay but these vaccines are a joke. i got covid from a jerkoff that had the vaccine. he got sicker than me.
whats the point of getting a vaccine. where's the proof that it 'won't be a bad'
fuck getting the vaccine if you arent at risk.
okay but these vaccines are a joke. i got covid from a^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
jerkoff that had the vaccine. he got sicker than me.
Now THAT's interesting.
There's that, indeed. Besides, the formula for the vacc
rollout hasn't changed since alpha. So, how can the alpha
version even help stave off the delta. Makes no sense.
whats the point of getting a vaccine. where's the proof that it 'won't be a bad'
fuck getting the vaccine if you arent at risk.
The way it is done is you take a control group of people who is unvaccinated, then a control group of people who is, and check some time later how did they go.
Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-
In a country where anyone can report on things, and social media
spreads faster than infection vectors, it would absolutely have been reported. Anything else is purely delusional.
Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-
Again, that's how vaccines generally work... there have always been breakthrough cases, but the infection rates, length of illness and
spread factors are greatly reduced.
Tracker1 wrote to Gamgee <=-
Far from just the lefties... there are some right wingnuts out there as well... note: I'm also in Arizona and participate in some pretty
diverse groups.
MRO wrote to Tracker1 <=-
okay but these vaccines are a joke. i got covid from a jerkoff that
had the vaccine. he got sicker than me.
whats the point of getting a vaccine.
where's the proof that it 'won't be as bad'
Ogg wrote to MRO <=-
okay but these vaccines are a joke. i got covid from a
jerkoff that had the vaccine. he got sicker than me.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now THAT's interesting.
Arelor wrote to MRO <=-
The way it is done is you take a control group of people who is unvaccinated, then a control group of people who is, and check some
time later how did they go.
If the vaccinated group got less infections or less severe infections
or whatever, it is likely to show up in the results.
That said, there was a very pro-vaccine article in The Athlantic discussing some similar studies, and the veredict is that vaccine
induced immunity is best than nothing, but piss poor compared to
natural immunity. I don't remember the numbers but I think it was a
full order of magnitude.
Ogg wrote to MRO <=-
okay but these vaccines are a joke. i got covid from a
jerkoff that had the vaccine. he got sicker than me.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now THAT's interesting.
Not really. There has been plenty of anecdotal evidence showing that getting vaxxed makes you more suspectable to variant strains.
The COVID vax is not prepared from the causative agent of the disease. It's a set or RNA that makes your body produce "anti-bodies" for COVID.
This RNA "vaccine" research has been going on for a long time and has always failed. What's the chances that they got a success on this one? Pretty much 0%.
Oh, and the vast majority of the population already got COVID back in 2019-2020, showed almost no symptoms and recovered. Yet the "experts" say that they need to get vaxxed too. Not following science there.
and we most likely had delta which is rampant around here.
Zombie Mambo wrote to Dr. What <=-
Funny how less than a month later the news is telling is only unvaccinated people are getting it. Not true! Close coworker of mine got the vax a few weeks ago, and tested positive for covid just now.
Some areas are reporting that upwards of 70% of new cases are from the vaccinated.
All those medial workers who are against it will get it soon enough tho if they want to keep their jobs. Biden admin pushing business to force it for them...
If they keep pushing, we are going to get socialized medicine, at a higher price because many health care workers will probably quit, which will make the lack of health care workers (that we already have) even worse.
Curious why businesses aren't asking employees to prove they've been vaccinated for Small Pox, and other things that are way more serious than covid...
The smallpox vaccine is actually a vaccine and has been through the years of trials so that we know the problems with it.
... A nudist has no reason to fear a pickpocket.
John Martin wrote to Dr. What <=-
So you are saying that this is a new type of technology which has not
been used on a large-scale population before and may have unforeseen consequences further down the line; my question is -- why is the government trying to vaccinate all adults and pushing to vaccinate the children now?
Surely, if this has never been rolled out on a large
popualtion before, only the vulnerable should be vaccinated... would
that not be "following the science"?
John Martin wrote to MRO <=-
I think that is why the scientific advisors are adamant that we shall
be given booster jabs this winter. The cases appear to be higher in a
lot of areas now than they were this time last year and much of the population is now vaccinated. Why is this?
If the vaccines are ineffective, why are governments across the world mandating health passports?
John Martin wrote to Dr. What <=-
So you are saying that this is a new type of technology which has not been used on a large-scale population before and may have unforeseen consequences further down the line; my question is -- why is the government trying to vaccinate all adults and pushing to vaccinate the children now?
That's a good question to which I don't have an answer. I've seen many conspiracy theories trying to explain that and I have my own theories. The answer is probably more complicated than we think, but without more evidence don't know.
I'm reasonably sure that part of the reason is the normal Leftie policy of never admitting mistakes and always doubling down on bad decisions.
Surely, if this has never been rolled out on a large
popualtion before, only the vulnerable should be vaccinated... would that not be "following the science"?
Yup. That would have been following the science. But to Lefties, Science i more religion than actual science (i.e. to be taken on faith without any evidence).
... A big enough hammer can usually fix anything.
So you are saying that this is a new type of technology which has not been used on a large-scale population before and may have unforeseen consequences further down the line; my question is -- why is the government trying to vaccinate all adults and pushing to vaccinate the children now?
That's a good question to which I don't have an answer. I've seen many conspiracy theories trying to explain that and I have my own theories. The answer is probably more complicated than we think, but without more evidence I don't know.
I'm reasonably sure that part of the reason is the normal Leftie policy of never admitting mistakes and always doubling down on bad decisions.
Surely, if this has never been rolled out on a large
popualtion before, only the vulnerable should be vaccinated... would that not be "following the science"?
Yup. That would have been following the science. But to Lefties, Science is more religion than actual science (i.e. to be taken on faith without any evidence).
I think that is why the scientific advisors are adamant that we shall be given booster jabs this winter. The cases appear to be higher in a lot of areas now than they were this time last year and much of the population is now vaccinated. Why is this?
The reason cases appear to be higher is called "cold and flu season" (or as doctors call it "low Vitamin D season"). Plus they aren't really testing for COVID. The PCR test can't tell the difference between the flu and COVID and, in many cases, hospitals aren't testing at all and instead labeling people as having COVID because "they have the symptoms".
Hospitals are still getting financial benefit from having COVID patients.
If the vaccines are ineffective, why are governments across the world mandating health passports?
The only thing I can think of is "control". Too many groups are using COVID as an excuse to seize the control of people that they have been wanting for a long time now.
My own theory is that vaccines are useful pacification
devices regardless of their actual effectivenes against the
virus.
A politician who campaigns aggressively for getting
everybody vaccinated gets two immediate benefits. [...]
[...] The actual effectivity of the vaccines is a secondary
consideration when see through a politician's point of
view.
John Martin wrote to Dr. What <=-
I have little reason to believe it has anything to do with politics as many governments across the planet mandating these policies are both
right and left wing.
I do not know much about conspiracy theories but I
have never observed anyone in the media answering my question.
We are
discussing a vaccine that is not traditional after all as there is no
dead virus contained within the inoculation; I simply, for the life of
me, cannot grasp why they would want to include everyone in the
schedule.
John Martin wrote to Dr. What <=-
Hospitals are still getting financial benefit from having COVID patients.
I see. They may have amalgamated the seasonal flu along with COVID this year giving the impression that cases are higher than they really are.
The only thing I can think of is "control". Too many groups are using COVID as an excuse to seize the control of people that they have been wanting for a long time now.
If it were to do with control then I don't think it would appear to be
an excuse to oppress a certain group; rather everyone, as we all have
to abide by the same restrictions and mandates.
I have little reason to believe it has anything to do with politics as many governments across the planet mandating these policies are both right and left wing. I do not know much about conspiracy theories but I have never
And, if the vaccine is effective, then why are the "cases"
going up - although it *is* the beginning of cold and flu
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: John Martin to Dr. What on Tue Sep 07 2021 12:03 am
I have little reason to believe it has anything to do with politics as many governments across the planet mandating these
policies are both right and left wing. I do not know much about conspiracy theories but I have never
oh, you havent got to the point where you realize that right and left wing politicians in america grow up with eachother, go to
school with eachother, are friends with eachother. they are all in on it.
being a politician is about keeping slavery going.
On 07 Sep 2021, Ogg said the following...
And, if the vaccine is effective, then why are the "cases"
going up - although it *is* the beginning of cold and flu
lmfao! the awesome answer to this is . . .
* people who aren't vaccinated are by far, mostly the rising cases *
r/hermancainaward
fuck around and find out :)
being a politician is about keeping slavery going.
If you refering to the virus then it has nothing to do with politics when people continue to drop dead. Getting a shot and wearing a mask helps spread the virus. Just like it has been proven during the past decades with the flue ect...
There really is no "left vs. right" anymore. The old idea that there are two political entities that are countering each other is long gone.
The sides are now "the elites who think that they can run the world better than everyone else" and "everyone else".
What you perceive as "right" and "left" are really the same group of people who are simply saying what they need to in order appeal to the sheeple on their "side" of politics.
And you won't. The Media is playing a dangerous game. They can't tell the truth, but they can't seem too biased. For most of us, we've realized that the Media today is really the Propaganda Machine for the elites and is completely untrustworthy.
Because the COVID Narrative is 90% propaganda. Facts are ignored. Science is ignored. COVID is used as a tool to create fear, which makes people willing to give up their freedom for "safety".
But the Elites don't have to abide by those rules. Haven't you seen the "ruling class" out and about on trips (when they tell everyone else to stay home), without masks (when they have mask mandates) and having parties
(when they close churches down because too many people can kill everyone)?
They are oppressing a certain group, but that group is so large it's hard to see. They are oppressing everyone who's not in their "ruling class". In other words: Us.
I have little reason to believe it has anything to do with politics as many governments across the planet mandating these policies are both right and left wing. I do not know much about conspiracy theories but I have never
oh, you havent got to the point where you realize that right and left wing politicians in america grow up with eachother, go to school with eachother, are friends with eachother. they are all in on it.
being a politician is about keeping slavery going.
John Martin wrote to Dr. What <=-
This kind of thinking makes me interested in going down the rabbit hole
as I have had a gut feeling for a long time now that it doesn't matter
who we vote for; we end up with the same people in charge pushing the
same macro policies.
Trump himself was and still is encouraging people
to take the vaccine
however I cannot see a valid reason to inoculate
the entire population over a virus that has an average of a 99.9%
survival rate.
It beggars belief that we are so willing to destroy
everything in the name of something that is a mere footnote when
compared to other diseases such as cancer and heart disease -- both
being larger killers by magnitudes.
I am aware of many dissenting doctors and other medical professionals
and yet they are not being granted airtime by the media nor are they handed the opportunity to debate with their counterparts who are
presently advising the government.
I refuse to believe that politicans around the world are so stupid that they would accept zero COVID policies, but it appears some have. I read that New Zealand was placed under lockdown because of a single case! If they can close an entire country for that reason, they can do anything.
John Martin wrote to Dr. What <=-
I understand. My only counterargument is that the ruling classes are afraid of the profane and noisy masses as we are known to have a
tendency to start revolutions.
If an obvious two-tier society was being
unveiled before our very eyes, would the elite class not be worried of
a backlash?
I can see why democracy is the best way to shepherd an
unwitting population. This, however, is beginning to look like
autocratic rule.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to MRO on Tue Sep 07 2021 10:13 pm
being a politician is about keeping slavery going.
If you refering to the virus then it has nothing to do with politics when people continue to drop dead. Getting a shot and
wearing a mask helps spread the virus. Just like it has been proven during the past decades with the flue ect...
you know nothing.
people that had the vaccine can get sick. dont you know that?
On 07 Sep 2021, MRO said the following...
people that had the vaccine can get sick. dont you know that?
yup.
however I cannot see a valid reason to inoculate the
entire population over a virus that has an average of a
99.9% survival rate.
I don't either. Even at the height of the scamedmic, I
ran the fake numbers that my state was using to scare the
sheeple. COVID impacted 0.7% of the population at any
given time with a death rate of 0.07%. That's just a bad
flu season - not anything that would justify shutting the
state down. And those were the bloated numbers - so the
real numbers would be far less.
being a politician is about keeping slavery going.
If you refering to the virus then it has nothing to do with politics when people continue to drop dead. Getting a shot and wearing a mask helps spread the virus. Just like it has been proven during the past decades with the flue ect...
you know nothing.
Bull sh*y and wake up. The people getting infected is going up and more people are dying. so get you head out of your *ass.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: fang-castro to MRO on Tue Sep 07 2021 22:16:00
On 07 Sep 2021, MRO said the following...
people that had the vaccine can get sick. dont you know that?
yup.
People are more at risk getting sick from he virus then getting the shot.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: fang-castro to MRO on Tue Sep 07 2021 22:16:00
On 07 Sep 2021, MRO said the following...
people that had the vaccine can get sick. dont you know that?
yup.
People are more at risk getting sick from he virus then getting the shot.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to fang-castro on Wed Sep 08 2021 07:14 pm
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: fang-castro to MRO on Tue Sep 07 2021 22:16:00
On 07 Sep 2021, MRO said the following...
people that had the vaccine can get sick. dont you know that?
yup.
People are more at risk getting sick from he virus then getting the shot.
you just repeat what you hear on tv
On 08 Sep 2021, plt said the following...
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: fang-castro to MRO on Tue Sep 07 2021 22:16:00
On 07 Sep 2021, MRO said the following...
people that had the vaccine can get sick. dont you know that?
yup.
People are more at risk getting sick from he virus then getting the shot.
also yup. earlier in this thread i mentioned the exorbitant amount of unvaccinated people who are sick vs. the amount of
vaccinated
people who are sick.
why, when i mentioned vaccinated people w/cases of covid was i was asked
the above question i don't know; considering i had just mentioned vaccinated people with cases of covid - which is vaccinated
sick
people. doo-dee-dah..
I think that many people have been noticing that too. Hence the popularity of Trump - someone who wasn't part of any political machine.
One of the mistakes that Trump made was trusting his "experts".
One of the problems that I've seen in many companies is that management puts too much trust in people who are supposed to be experts in their areas. But management doesn't have the knowledge or experience to determine if these people are actually experts, or just "experts" put in those positions by other management so that they can get the answers that they want (as opposed to the correct answer).
Many positions in our gov't have been taken over by people who lay claim to titles of "expert" or "knowledgeable" when they aren't. They've been put into those positions by other gov't people in order to get the answers that they want. And they've "fixed" the system so that once these people are in, you can't get them out.
I don't either. Even at the height of the scamedmic, I ran the fake numbers that my state was using to scare the sheeple. COVID impacted 0.7% of the population at any given time with a death rate of 0.07%. That's just a bad flu season - not anything that would justify shutting the state down. And those were the bloated numbers - so the real numbers would be far less.
Fear is a good lever for controlling people. It always has been. That's why you see the Lefties pushing things like "climate change is going to kill us all in 10 years" (which never happens). They are trying to scare people into giving up rights and giving them power.
Yup. By giving them air time, they would be exposing the Media's bias as well as the lies by the fake "experts" the gov't trots out.
Zero COVID means "never". It was a susprise to me that New Zealand and Australia have such totaltarian gov'ts.
Some politians are stupid. But some are power hungry and are using COVID as a cover to seize the power that they've coveted for so long.
They are worried. But they've worked for decades to mold people into blindly believing media and the "experts".
The question is how many people are going to wake up and see for themselves.
We are already seeing revolts in France, for example, where enough people are refusing that the police have to back down.
And the outcry against the voting audits from the last election. You don't hear that in the Media anymore because they want to keep it quiet, but they are still moving forward and finding massive fraud - enough to swing the election.
Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-
If the numbers are so low, how do they justify "the
overwhelming numbers in ICU due to covid" and having people on ventilators? That doesn't seem to happen even in a bad flu
season.
John Martin wrote to Dr. What <=-
All the politicans across the world have experts following them around like sinister little minders. It is clearly a coordinated effort as the "experts" are all singing from the same hymn sheet no matter which
country they repesent. I have never seen anything like this before and I've a terrible feeling about what's in store for us next.
Anyone with any critical thinking faculties should able to see that something is afoot.
These politicans are either accepting bribes or are
part and parcel of whatever plot is on.
I was a fool to believe politicans were being paid to think
rather than mindlessly follow orders from unelected "experts"...
Controlling the population through a perceived threat is stright out of the dictator's handbook. If we were living in the kind of world I
thought we were living in we would be able to make our own decisions regarding our personal health. I saw Tucker Carlson talking about the
"my body my choice" movement which apparently does not extend to
medical procedures such as the jab.
We are all going to reap what we
sow so I sincerely hope the people who are pushing these policies are happy about where this is all headed.
I have looked at Australia and they are several months ahead of us.
Hard to believe that this is real and is happening before our very
eyes.
John Martin wrote to Dr. What <=-
displeasure. I saw in Greece there was a mass walkout in the healthcare sector as doctors, nurses and auxiliary staff refused to take the mandatory jab. I don't understand why this is such a contentious issue. Offer the jab to those who wish to take it, like in the original
proposal, and rely henceforth on natural immunity. This is not the
second coming of the Bubonic Plague which had a survival rate of around 50%. We are looking at a 99.92% survival rate for my age group (50-60) which is a risk I can live with.
plt wrote to MRO <=-
and wake up.
The people getting infected is going up
and more people are dying.
plt wrote to fang-castro <=-
If you got the shot, wear a mask, keep social distance and clean your hands then you have a good chance of not getting the virus. I got my
shot, I wear a mask and keep social distance and I never got te virus.
I am living proof of it.
plt wrote to fang-castro <=-
If you got the shot, wear a mask, keep social distance and clean your hands then you have a good chance of not getting the
virus. I got my
shot, I wear a mask and keep social distance and I never got te virus. I am living proof of it.
I won't get the shot, never wore a mask, never social distanced. I keep my hands clean (which is just good hygene) but will
rarely
use the anti-bacterial soaps of gels (only when there isn't a good way to wash my hands).
And I never (to my knowledge) got the virus.
I am living proof that you are completely wrong.
... Hey! Don't shoot that postal worker <BANG!> NO CARRIER
On 08 Sep 2021, plt said the following...
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: fang-castro to MRO on Tue Sep 07 2021 22:16:00
On 07 Sep 2021, MRO said the following...
people that had the vaccine can get sick. dont you know that?
yup.
People are more at risk getting sick from he virus then getting the shot.
also yup. earlier in this thread i mentioned the exorbitant amount of unvaccinated people who are sick vs. the amount of vaccinated people who are sick.
why, when i mentioned vaccinated people w/cases of covid was i was asked
the above question i don't know; considering i had just mentioned vaccinated people with cases of covid - which is vaccinated sick people. doo-dee-dah..
> On 07 Sep 2021, MRO said the following...
> MR> people that had the vaccine can get sick. dont you know that?
lmfao! the awesome answer to this is . . .---
* people who aren't vaccinated are by far, mostly the rising cases *
shot.
you just repeat what you hear on tv
Count the people that are dead from the virus. That is fact!
people. doo-dee-dah..
If you got the shot, wear a mask, keep social distance and clean your hands then you have a good chance of not getting the virus. I got my shot, I wear a mask and keep social distance and I never got te virus. I am living proof of it.
plt wrote to MRO <=-
and wake up.
Take your own advise.
The people getting infected is going up
Happens all the time. Happened in the past. Will happen for the forseeable future. This is only an issue to the sheeple who
blindly believe what the so-called "experts" say.
and more people are dying.
Our death rate has not significantly changed. The only difference is that more people are being coded as "dieing from COVID"
when
they actually "had COVID when they died of <whatever>".
Hospitals do that because they get extra money for every COVID patient and COVID death.
... When a girl goes bad--men go right after her.
If you got the shot, wear a mask, keep social distance and clean your hands then you have a good chance of not getting the virus. I got my shot, I wear mask and keep social distance and I never got te virus. I am living proof of it.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to fang-castro on Thu Sep 09 2021 12:40 am
If you got the shot, wear a mask, keep social distance and clean your hands then you have a good chance of not getting the
virus. I got my shot, I wear mask and keep social distance and I never got te virus. I am living proof of it.
Chances are that in a timespan of 5 years, the probability of you NOT getting the virus is near zero. This is because even if
the
vaccines worked as advertised, they would not stop the spread, but mitigate the problem.
If the vaccines work as advertised, what we are looking at is a scenario in which everybody can shrug the virus off as if it was
the flu, not an scenario in which the virus is destroyed.
r Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to MRO on Thu Sep 09 2021 12:37 am
shot.
you just repeat what you hear on tv
Count the people that are dead from the virus. That is fact!
count my foot up your retarded ass.
---
When you where born the doctor slap you upside your head and not on your ass that explains why your so retarted. Your mother was
so
poor that she could afford to buy your books when going to school, so she has to get them from the local junk yard.
r Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to MRO on Thu Sep 09 2021 12:37 am
shot.
you just repeat what you hear on tv
Count the people that are dead from the virus. That is fact!
count my foot up your retarded ass.
---
When you where born the doctor slap you upside your head and not on your ass that explains why your so retarted. Your mother was
so
poor that she could afford to buy your books when going to school, so she has to get them from the local junk yard.
Chances are that in a timespan of 5 years, the probability
of you NOT getting the virus is near zero. This is because
even if the vaccines worked as advertised, they would not
stop the spread, but mitigate the problem.
If the vaccines work as advertised, what we are looking at
is a scenario in which everybody can shrug the virus off as
if it was the flu, not an scenario in which the virus is
destroyed.
You definitely meet the difinition of a total asshole. Grow up and act like a adult you troll.
COme over any time I will show you how it's done when I shove it up your fucking retard ass.
Hello Arelor!
** On Thursday 09.09.21 - 09:39, Arelor wrote to plt:
Chances are that in a timespan of 5 years, the probability
of you NOT getting the virus is near zero. This is because
even if the vaccines worked as advertised, they would not
stop the spread, but mitigate the problem.
What's the point of requiring a vaccine to protect others if
that vaccine does not prevent onward transmission? People
(vaccinated or not) can be still get the virus.
Some people are either lazy and need to stop listening to people like Donald Trump.If the vaccines work as advertised, what we are looking at
is a scenario in which everybody can shrug the virus off as
if it was the flu, not an scenario in which the virus is
destroyed.
People are still getting the false impression that being vaxx'd
against a strain that has long mutated from its alpha version,
somehow "protects" them from new variants.
Reports are emerging that double-vacc'd people are entering
hospitals due to covid.
1) The education system has long been ruined by the Left and turned into indoctrination centers. Few people who get a degree today actually have any competance in the field they got the degree in. But that's why they all seem to sing from the same hymnal.
2) The "experts", having a useless degree from a useless university, uses that to lay claim to the title. And the other "experts" sing his praises, which easily fools the morons in the gov't.
That type of thinking is rarely in any kind of management circle - corporate or gov't.
You can just assume that it happening. It's very rare when it isn't.
Welcome to the club. Many people figured this out a while ago, but in the last few years, I think the number of people who understand this has grown tremendously.
If the Left didn't have double standards, they'd have no standard at all.
Many of us didn't sow this. I still firmly believe that there was a huge amount of election fraud and that Biden (well, his handlers, since Biden can't think his way out of a room) cheated.
I don't think we'll get as bad as Austrailia. Mostly because the 2nd Amendment is still in effect and the number of gun owners went up a great deal after Biden was installed as President.
IHMO I believe that there are 3 reasons:
1) Control. Get people comfortable with the gov't mandating shots is 1 step toward controlling your entire life.
2) The Leftie need to always be right. Since the jab is "good for you", everyone needs to get it.
3) The Left can't have a large 'control' group of people who didn't get the jab so that 10 years from now, we can't see how much the not-vaccine has hurt people.
What's the point of requiring a vaccine to protect others if
that vaccine does not prevent onward transmission? People
(vaccinated or not) can be still get the virus.
To demand control of another persons bodily autonomy is tyrannical. We need more of the Left to speak up on this because there has to be critical thinkers among them. They have to realise that they are getting their way because the government, institutions and corporations support them, but it
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to John Martin on Thu Sep 09 2021 08:08:00
IHMO I believe that there are 3 reasons:
1) Control. Get people comfortable with the gov't mandating shots is 1 step toward controlling your entire life.
2) The Leftie need to always be right. Since the jab is "good for you", everyone needs to get it.
3) The Left can't have a large 'control' group of people who didn't get the jab so that 10 years from now, we can't see how
much
the not-vaccine has hurt people.
To demand control of another persons bodily autonomy is tyrannical. We need more of the Left to speak up on this because there
has
to be critical thinkers among them. They have to realise that they are getting their way because the government, institutions
and
corporations support them, but it doesn't make them right. I haven't observed any free and open debate which needs to happen
before
it's too late.
That's something that has recently happened as well -- back in my day, the Left were anti-establishment, now they are conformists who support lockdown and jab mandates. The Left back in the 80s would have rejected these policies.
During the covid situation, it seems to me that conservatives are the ones who tend to want to reject those policies. And it seems some of the conservatives are the ones who tend to go as far as thinking the covid situation is a conspiracy or that covid doesn't exist at all.
plt wrote to Dr. What <=-
Yes it is. I got my shot, wear my mask, keep social distance and I
never got the virus. So it works.
plt wrote to Dr. What <=-
Stop listening to Trump, he tells lies, play down the virus when it
first started, part of the blame for the people that died should not be trusted.
John Martin wrote to Dr. What <=-
I would be inclined to agree that education is not what it used to be.
I see kids leaving college now with their degrees in 'My Little Pony'
and 'David Beckham studies' thinking that they know their shit.
There
must be some driver, a hidden hand as such, directing all these useful idiots out there. It is too much of a coincidence for everything to
slot so perfectly into place especially when we are talking about what
are essentially ID cards.
The CIA and their "black budget" have something to do with this.
The government have shrouded everything in
secrecy and I believe most politicans are completely in the dark.
Critical thought is something that used to be taught at a young age. It allows us to analyse information in a sensible manner even if we are
not considered experts in a particular matter.
These days everybody
seems to defer to "experts" even when it is clear they are unable to
make a single correct decision. Management today consists of
acquiescing to those above you and thereafter imposing on those below
you.
That's something that has recently happened as well -- back in my day,
the Left were anti-establishment, now they are conformists who support lockdown and jab mandates. The Left back in the 80s would have rejected these policies.
I believe everything has been corrupted for a long time and most of us have only just noticed.
The gulf between offical reality and reality
itself has never been greater. It's obvious that we are starting to see glimpses of the true reality that was always lurking underneath.
I cannot see it happening in red states for the reasons you've stated,
and I suppose compliance is high in blue states so there wouldn't be
any reason for it. We could end living in a parallel society.
John Martin wrote to Dr. What <=-
To demand control of another persons bodily autonomy is tyrannical. We need more of the Left to speak up on this because there has to be
critical thinkers among them. They have to realise that they are
getting their way because the government, institutions and corporations support them, but it doesn't make them right. I haven't observed any
free and open debate which needs to happen before it's too late.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: John Martin to Dr. What on Fri Sep 10 2021 11:28 am
That's something that has recently happened as well -- back in my day, the Left were anti-establishment, now they are
conformists who support lockdown and jab mandates. The Left back in the 80s would have rejected these policies.
During the covid situation, it seems to me that conservatives are the ones who tend to want to reject those policies. And it
seems
some of the conservatives are the ones who tend to go as far as thinking the covid situation is a conspiracy or that covid
doesn't
exist at all.
Nightfox
Yes it is. I got my shot, wear my mask, keep social distance and I
never got the virus. So it works.
And I did none of that - and never got the virus. So it does nothing.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to plt on Fri Sep 10 2021 01:16 pm
Yes it is. I got my shot, wear my mask, keep social distance and I
never got the virus. So it works.
And I did none of that - and never got the virus. So it does nothing.
Correlation is not causation. Maybe you've been lucky. I've probably been lucky too, as I'm not aware of having gotten covid.
I've worn masks and social distanced to a point, but there's still a chance of getting covid.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to plt on Fri Sep 10 2021 01:16 pm
Yes it is. I got my shot, wear my mask, keep social distance and I
never got the virus. So it works.
And I did none of that - and never got the virus. So it does nothing.
Correlation is not causation. Maybe you've been lucky. I've probably been lucky too, as I'm not aware of having gotten covid.
I've worn masks and social distanced to a point, but there's still a chance of getting covid.
Nightfox
Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-
Yes it is. I got my shot, wear my mask, keep social distance and I
never got the virus. So it works.
And I did none of that - and never got the virus. So it does nothing.
Correlation is not causation. Maybe you've been lucky. I've probably been lucky too, as I'm not aware of having gotten covid.
I've worn masks and social distanced to a point, but there's still a chance of getting covid.
plt wrote to Nightfox <=-
I do not understand why people think it's a conspiracy when people are dying?
It's not a game and it's real.
I have been in and out of
hospitals several times during the past year and it seems that some
people think its a game.
plt wrote to Nightfox <=-
Yes, it's still possible but you lower your risk.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: John Martin to Dr. What on Fri Sep 10 2021 11:40 am
To demand control of another persons bodily autonomy is tyrannical. We need more of the Left to spe
up on this because there has to be critical thinkers among them. They have to realise that they are
getting their way because the government, institutions and corporations support them, but it
now obiden wants osha to make it manditory to have vaccinated employees.
i dont need the old vaccination. i have anti bodies. does it even 'work' against these many variants?
anyways, you can either get a test every week [i think everyone should. it's so easy and free now] or
can refuse for religious reasons. i'm trying to become a christian scientist.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: John Martin to Dr. What on Fri Sep 10 2021 11:28 am
That's something that has recently happened as well -- back in my day, the Left were
anti-establishment, now they are conformists who support lockdown and jab mandates. The Left back
the 80s would have rejected these policies.
During the covid situation, it seems to me that conservatives are the ones who tend to want to reject
those policies. And it seems some of the conservatives are the ones who tend to go as far as thinking
the covid situation is a conspiracy or that covid doesn't exist at all.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to plt on Fri Sep 10 2021 01:16 pm
Yes it is. I got my shot, wear my mask, keep social distance and I
never got the virus. So it works.
And I did none of that - and never got the virus. So it does nothing.
Correlation is not causation. Maybe you've been lucky. I've probably been lucky too, as I'm not awar
of having gotten covid.
I've worn masks and social distanced to a point, but there's still a chance of getting covid.
Nightfox
Masks do nearly nothing. If you believe that they protect you or others, you are misleading yourself (or just a virtue signaller). Social distancing doesn't do much either - the exception is that if you are sick, don't do into the office, or party, etc. But people should be doing that COVID or not.
we should have weekly testing. that would be the easiest way to find out who has it and try to control it. it's easy now and free. there's a walgreens everywhere. you can get tested and find out in 5 hours. you dont even need to go deep in your nose.
There is no need about the debate on the vaccine, if you did not get you shot then get it or take the risk of getting sick or the possibility of droping dead.
During the covid situation, it seems to me that conservatives are the ones who tend to want to reject those policies. And it seems some of the conservatives are the ones who tend to go as far as thinking the covid situation is a conspiracy or that covid doesn't exist at all.
Nightfox
It's been steadily going downhill for a long time. My dad was a teacher for 43 years, so I got a good inside view of what was going on inside public education.
I also remember seeing the quality of education of my brothers (just 4 and 7 years later) to what I got (and by then I realized how poor my education was).
There was a person I know who constantly complains about how she has a "degree" but can't get anyone to give her a high paying job. When asked what the degree was in, she responded with some useless topic, then got mad when we explained reality to her. She's still in a low paying job and still mad at the world for not recognizing her "eliteness".
I know many businesses were getting frustrated with new graduates thinking that they will hire in at a 6 figure salary, with all the perks of someone who had been in the company for 20 years.
There is. But whatever (or whoever) that driver is, it's well hidden behind the scenes.
Most politicans know what's going on - or at least they know that something is moving behind the scenes and they want to come out on top of whatever is going on, so they go with it. The politicans in the dark are a very small minority.
That's part of why things don't change when we elect someone else.
Yup. The problem started with the Left ruining the schools.
Unfortunately, true. I don't know how many times I've been criticised for "not following the experts" - even though I've proven them wrong.
The old "left" were what we would call "classical liberals" today. While they had opposite ideas about how things should be run, the "conservatives" had much more in common with the Lefties of today. The "classical liberals" are now on the "right" of the political spectrum because the Lefties have moved so far left.
I think you're right. I've often told my wife that Trump getting elected made the Lefties have to "step up their game" to seize power. In doing so, the mask that they had been wearing has come off and many more people have seen the corruption.
The "official reality" is what we call the Narrative, and it's no different from the propaganda used in Communist Russia - or Orwell's "1984".
Only for a short period (relatively speaking). The Left tends to completely mess things up. So places like the Socialist Utopia of California don't survive for long.
They cannot have free and open debate because such debate will
1) force them to listen to ideas that they know are right, but go against their beliefs. Think of trying to explain to a religious fanatic that the the sun does NOT go around the Earth.
2) force them to accept the fact that they might be wrong and that's just too painful for the elitist attitudes to handle.
now obiden wants osha to make it manditory to have vaccinated employees.
i dont need the old vaccination. i have anti bodies. does it even 'work' against these many variants?
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to John Martin on Fri Sep 10 2021 13:42:00
They cannot have free and open debate because such debate will
1) force them to listen to ideas that they know are right, but go against their beliefs. Think of trying to explain to a
religious fanatic that the the sun does NOT go around the Earth.
2) force them to accept the fact that they might be wrong and that's just too painful for the elitist attitudes to handle.
Cancel culture hurts everyone as all you end up with is an echo-chamber filed with ideas that are never challenged. In times
like
these we need people speaking as honestly as possible across the board, otherwise we will end up falling off a cliff like a
bunch
of lemmings.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to John Martin on Fri Sep 10 2021 10:33:52
There is no need about the debate on the vaccine, if you did not get you shot then get it or take the risk of getting sick or
the possibility of droping dead.
People ARE taking the risk of "possibly dropping dead"... it's up to them to decide which course of action to take.
now obiden wants osha to make it manditory to have vaccinated employees.
i dont need the old vaccination. i have anti bodies. does it even 'work' against these many variants?
anyways, you can either get a test every week [i think everyone should. it's so easy and free now] or can refuse for religious reasons. i'm trying to become a christian scientist.
I have reached the conclussion the mandate is just for show.
Unless they have started deploying a new variant of the vaccines, the ones in circulation don't do much against the delta variant, which afaik is the dominant variant in circulation, so the logic behind the mandate is beyond me.
It is like mandating a taetanus vaccine because there is an ebola outbreak.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to Dr. What on Sat Sep 11 2021 10:21 am
we should have weekly testing. that would be the easiest way to find out who has it and try to control it. it's easy now and free. there's a walgreens everywhere. you can get tested and find out in 5 hours. you dont even need to go deep in your nose.
There's also a covid antigen test kit that Walgreens & other pharmacies sell that gives a result in 15 minutes.
Nightfox
plt wrote to Nightfox <=-
I do not understand why people think it's a conspiracy when people are dying?
People die every day. That's been the case for literally all the time humans have existed.
People die every day from the common flu too. But we aren't told to get the flu shot or lose your job.
People die from many other things - that were all put on hold due to the illogical, illegal shutdown that happened last year.
Yet
I don't see you crying about the people will die of cancer now because they couldn't get the early treatment they needed last
year
because of the COVID shutdown.
So cry me a river, Leftie Elite. You guys are such hypocrites.
It's not a game and it's real.
No one said it wasn't. But COVID is NOT the huge problem that you and the Propaganda Ministry make it out to be.
I have been in and out of
hospitals several times during the past year and it seems that some people think its a game.
People go in and out of the hospital COVID or not.
You really need to understand reality. But, being a Leftie, I understand why you are unable to comprenend reality.
plt wrote to Nightfox <=-
I do not understand why people think it's a conspiracy when people are dying?
People die every day. That's been the case for literally all the time humans have existed.
People die every day from the common flu too. But we aren't told to get the flu shot or lose your job.
People die from many other things - that were all put on hold due to the illogical, illegal shutdown that happened last year.
Yet
I don't see you crying about the people will die of cancer now because they couldn't get the early treatment they needed last
year
because of the COVID shutdown.
So cry me a river, Leftie Elite. You guys are such hypocrites.
It's not a game and it's real.
No one said it wasn't. But COVID is NOT the huge problem that you and the Propaganda Ministry make it out to be.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to John Martin on Fri Sep 10 2021 09:01:02
now obiden wants osha to make it manditory to have vaccinated employees.
i dont need the old vaccination. i have anti bodies. does it even 'work' against these many variants?
If you have caught the virus your body will be producing anti-bodies and, more importantly, you will have cellular immunity. They should be testing people for natural immunity and presenting those people a health pass on those grounds.
The you fail to see the true reality it's virus like the flue and everything else it spreads. But there is ways to slow it down and prevent it from spreading. Maybe stop listening to what Tr
said about it
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Dr. What on Sat Sep 11 2021 02:52 pm
I don't know what you keep bringing Trump into the conversation, specially since I have heard he is recommending to take the vaccine.
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Cancel culture hurts everyone as all you end up with is an echo-chamber filed with ideas that are never challenged. In times like
these we need people speaking as honestly as possible across the board, otherwise we will end up falling off a cliff like a bunch
of lemmings.
When it comes to the Virus then it's best to listen to the wise one. It's the individual choice to live or take the chance of death!
Its not right when a person does not get the shot and follow the CDC guidelines and spread the virus to someone else and they get sick or possible die from it is it?
it takes a long time to come up with rules and regulations. i'm not sure why they're not coming up with new vaccines if they work so well. there appears to be a lot of 'breakthrough' cases.
people say breakthrough cases happen with all vaccines. that's news to me. did anybody else know this? probably not
yeah but there's people out there (some of them i know) that think i'm a future murderer and i need shots and a booster.
In traditional medicine, when a person is vaccinated, that person is immune to which ever virus or disease they are vaccinated against. I can be vaccinated for deadly diseases such as tetanus, diptheria, polio, yellow fever or malaria and be totally immune whereas they claim that this so called vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching or spreading the coronavirus.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to John Martin on Sat Sep 11 2021 13:57:34
yeah but there's people out there (some of them i know) that think i'm a future murderer and i need shots and a booster.
Asymptomatic spread is not a driving force behind the spread of a virus. Dr
Dr
Fauci even said that at the beginning of the pandemic. If you are suffering
To demand control of another persons bodily autonomy is tyrannical. We need more of the Left to speak up on this because there has to be critical thinkers among them. They have to realise that they are getting their way because the government, institutions and corporations support them, but it doesn't make them right. I haven't observed any free and open debate which needs to happen before it's too late.Free and open debate is not going to happen with the left. Its not the free speech movement of the 1960s anymore, its totally the opposite now. Unless your speech is to the left of Kamala Harris your speech is not respected or valid on college campuses or big businesses.
now obiden wants osha to make it manditory to have vaccinated employees.I think people who have antibodies without vaccination should be given at least a year without having to get a vaccine. Its more generous than what California or Biden would want.
i dont need the old vaccination. i have anti bodies. does it even 'work' against these many variants?
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to John Martin on Sat Sep 11 2021 14:37:18
Cancel culture hurts everyone as all you end up with is an echo-chamber filed with ideas that are never challenged. In
times
like
these we need people speaking as honestly as possible across the board, otherwise we will end up falling off a cliff like
a
bunch
of lemmings.
When it comes to the Virus then it's best to listen to the wise one. It's the individual choice to live or take the chance of
death!
It sounds like you advocate free choice. I don't think Dr Fauchi is wise, he has made many u-turns during this pandemic so I
would
rather trust my own intuition and live (or die) with the consequences.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to John Martin on Sat Sep 11 2021 14:39:41
Its not right when a person does not get the shot and follow the CDC guidelines and spread the virus to someone else and they
get sick or possible die from it is it?
My vaccination status, or anyone else's, for that matter, is irrelevant. If you are vaccinated you are protected, you do not
have
to worry about anyone else's vaccine status.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to John Martin on Sat Sep 11 2021 14:37:18
Cancel culture hurts everyone as all you end up with is an echo-chamber filed with ideas that are never challenged. In
times
like
these we need people speaking as honestly as possible across the board, otherwise we will end up falling off a cliff like
a
bunch
of lemmings.
When it comes to the Virus then it's best to listen to the wise one. It's the individual choice to live or take the chance of
death!
It sounds like you advocate free choice. I don't think Dr Fauchi is wise, he has made many u-turns during this pandemic so I
would
rather trust my own intuition and live (or die) with the consequences.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to John Martin on Fri Sep 10 2021 09:01 am
now obiden wants osha to make it manditory to have vaccinated employees.I think people who have antibodies without vaccination should be given at least a year without having to get a vaccine. Its more generous than what California or Biden would want.
i dont need the old vaccination. i have anti bodies. does it even 'work' against these many variants?
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
i've been looking at this osha shit and one idea sprung to my mind.
you can get the shot or prove every week you dont have covid.
John Martin wrote to Dr. What <=-
Cancel culture hurts everyone as all you end up with is an echo-chamber filed with ideas that are never challenged. In times like these we need people speaking as honestly as possible across the board, otherwise we will end up falling off a cliff like a bunch of lemmings.
plt wrote to Dr. What <=-
For those who do not get their shot and follow the CDC guidelines can become a host and spread the virus around.
Maybe you
should read the medical documentation that has been available for the
past several decades and learn more before any more comments about it.
The you fail to see the true reality
But there is ways to slow it down and prevent it from spreading.
Maybe stop listening to what Trump said about it
plt wrote to Dr. What <=-
For those who do not get their shot and follow the CDC guidelines can become a host and spread the virus around.
The same is true for those who do get their shot.
The COVID "vaccine" does not grant immunity.
Maybe you
should read the medical documentation that has been available for the past several decades and learn more before any more comments about it.
Maybe you should follow your own suggestion and read the medical docmentation and stop parroting the "experts" in the Propaganda
ministry.
Your false Narrative is not reality. But Lefties always project, so I understand why you made that comment.
But there is ways to slow it down and prevent it from spreading.
Yes there is. But it's not the fake vaccine, mask wearing, etc.
Maybe stop listening to what Trump said about it
Have you seen a shrink about your TDS yet?
I don't know what you keep bringing Trump into the conversation,
specially since I have heard he is recommending to take the vaccine.
When the virus started he down played it by saying something like" I am not concerned it it go away" so may life's where wasted because of Trump.
Its not right when a person does not get the shot and follow the CDC
guidelines and spread the virus to someone else and they get sick or
possible die from it is it?
My vaccination status, or anyone else's, for that matter, is irrelevant. If you are vaccinated you are protected, you do not have to worry about anyone else's vaccine status.
In traditional medicine, when a person is vaccinated, that person is
immune to which ever virus or disease they are vaccinated against. I
can be vaccinated for deadly diseases such as tetanus, diptheria,
polio, yellow fever or malaria and be totally immune whereas they
claim that this so called vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching or
spreading the coronavirus.
then they say "but it won't be as bad" yeah right. how do they know that? we should trust them?
and then we got the liar fauci acting like the god of covid information when he's partially responsible for what went on in wuhan. they took animal viruses and played with them so they were more transmitable to humans. they said that isnt gain of function research.
For those who do not get their shot and follow the CDC guidelines
can become a host and spread the virus around.
The same is true for those who do get their shot.
The COVID "vaccine" does not grant immunity.
Maybe you
should read the medical documentation that has been available for
the past several decades and learn more before any more comments
about it.
Maybe you should follow your own suggestion and read the medical
docmentation and stop parroting the "experts" in the Propaganda
ministry.
I have and you have been reading bad information. If you believe that the virus is not dangerous and fail to follow the CDC guidelines then our living in a different world of delusions, on drugs or a very sick person.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: John Martin to plt on Sun Sep 12 2021 12:23 pm
Its not right when a person does not get the shot and follow the CDC
guidelines and spread the virus to someone else and they get sick or
possible die from it is it?
My vaccination status, or anyone else's, for that matter, is irrelevant. If you are vaccinated you are protected, you do
not
have to worry about anyone else's vaccine status.
Amen, and people that have already had Covid are better protected than those who have had the vaccines.
After I had my vaccine I got an enlarged heart like so many others, I think I would have rather had covid than the side
effects.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Dr. What on Sun Sep 12 2021 10:55 pm
For those who do not get their shot and follow the CDC guidelines pl>> can become a host and spread the virus around.
The same is true for those who do get their shot.
The COVID "vaccine" does not grant immunity.
Maybe you
should read the medical documentation that has been available for pl>> the past several decades and learn more before any more comments pl>> about it.
Maybe you should follow your own suggestion and read the medical
docmentation and stop parroting the "experts" in the Propaganda
ministry.
I have and you have been reading bad information. If you believe that the virus is not dangerous and fail to follow the CDC
guidelines then our living in a different world of delusions, on drugs or a very sick person.
The problem I see is the leftists always stubornly think they're right no matter what.
they live in a bubble and only read from approved leftist marxist communist playbook.
you really should get out of your bubble and look at all the research instead of just the "approved resarch".
Amen, and people that have already had Covid are better protected than those who have had the vaccines.
After I had my vaccine I got an enlarged heart like so many others, I think I would have rather had covid than the side
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
i've been looking at this osha shit and one idea sprung to my mind.
you can get the shot or prove every week you dont have covid.
But that's the myth. Getting the shot will not prevent you from getting COVID.
It's not a "vaccine" and does not provide immunity. It's just a theraputic that supposedly prevents you from getting deathly ill.
So not having to get tested if you got the shot makes no sense.
And then there's the other part: Sooner or later, you **will** get COVID
no matter what you do.
In traditional medicine, when a person is vaccinated, that person is immune to which ever virus or disease they are vaccinated against. I can be vaccinated for deadly diseases such as tetanus, diptheria, polio, yellow fever or malaria and be totally immune whereas they claim that this so called vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching or spreading the coronavirus.
yeah it is. with delta you are super contagious during the first week when you have no symptoms. then you get a little cough diarrhea.
that's why this virus is so hard to control. people spread it with no symptoms.
Dr
Fauci even said that at the beginning of the pandemic. If you are suffering
hold on, you are quoting fauci? he also said not to wear masks. he also
Free and open debate is not going to happen with the left. Its not the free speech movement of the 1960s anymore, its totally the opposite now. Unless your speech is to the left of Kamala Harris your speech is not respected or valid on college campuses or big businesses.
Both the left and the right piss on bodily autonomy. The left with vaccines and the right on abortion. Id be ok with a simple 3 month rule, with a provision that abortion clinics have to immediately cremate the unwanted pregnancy instead of harvesting the byproduct for science.
That is who it is. It's the individual choice and by making bad choices could lead to some bad results.
But that would create an environment where people are harder to control.
Remember: the end game for this is the "elites" ruling everyone else.
Actually, the end game is the end of civilization. But the "elites" (incorrectly) believe that they can prevent that.
Amen, and people that have already had Covid are better protected than those who have had the vaccines.
After I had my vaccine I got an enlarged heart like so many others, I think I would have rather had covid than the side effects.
that's why this virus is so hard to control. people spread it with no symptoms.
I believe that is false logic. You cannot be contagious unless you are
There is no known virus that can be driven by
asymptomatic spread. If you are not coughing, wheezing and have a runny
Masks are ineffective against a virus, Fauci was right the first time.
John Martin wrote to plt <=-
It sounds like you advocate free choice. I don't think Dr Fauchi is
wise, he has made many u-turns during this pandemic so I would rather trust my own intuition and live (or die) with the consequences.
Denn wrote to plt <=-
Uhm totally provably false,
Took early action to cut off travel from China
Enacted mitigation measures to slow the spread
Mobilized public and private sectors to secure needed supplies
The problem I see is the leftists always stubornly think they're right
no matter what. they live in a bubble and only read from approved
leftist marxist communist playbook. you really should get out of your
bubble and look at all the research instead of just the "approved
resarch".
I have and the shot works if you follow the CDC guidelines. Why is that so hard for you to understand. Maybe if you stop listening to the GOP you may undestand what I have been explaining. I have already read and post the information hee from CDC and By the way CDC is more qualified then you in medcal.
Denn wrote to plt <=-
Uhm totally provably false,
Took early action to cut off travel from China
Define early? And Action?
Not so much a "Travel Ban" as "Porous Restrictions".
Some would complain about his foot dragging in enacting the Defense Production act.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Mon Sep 13 2021 01:46 am
The problem I see is the leftists always stubornly think they're right
no matter what. they live in a bubble and only read from approved
leftist marxist communist playbook. you really should get out of your
bubble and look at all the research instead of just the "approved
resarch".
I have and the shot works if you follow the CDC guidelines. Why is that so hard for you to understand. Maybe if you stop
listening to the GOP you may undestand what I have been explaining. I have already read and post the information hee from
CDC
and By the way CDC is more qualified then you in medcal.
That's exactly the point I made that you stick to one "APPROVED point of view" and you fail to look at aother reputable studies
and experts.
I had the shots and like so many others had a enlarged heart afterwards, the "vaccine" is not as safe as leftist propaganists
say
it is.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Mon Sep 13 2021 01:46 am
The problem I see is the leftists always stubornly think they're right
no matter what. they live in a bubble and only read from approved
leftist marxist communist playbook. you really should get out of your
bubble and look at all the research instead of just the "approved
resarch".
I have and the shot works if you follow the CDC guidelines. Why is that so hard for you to understand. Maybe if you stop
listening to the GOP you may undestand what I have been explaining. I have already read and post the information hee from
CDC
and By the way CDC is more qualified then you in medcal.
That's exactly the point I made that you stick to one "APPROVED point of view" and you fail to look at aother reputable studies
and experts.
I had the shots and like so many others had a enlarged heart afterwards, the "vaccine" is not as safe as leftist propaganists
say
it is.
Other people can get sick even if there is no symptons of the virus and no individual has the right to get other people sick and possible die. You real need to do more research and learn the facts. It has nothing to do with politics and the folkes at CDC have more intelligence then you.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Mon Sep 13 2021 04:19 pm
Other people can get sick even if there is no symptons of the virus and no individual has the right to get other people sick
and
possible die. You real need to do more research and learn the facts. It has nothing to do with politics and the folkes at CDC
have more intelligence then you.
If the vaccines were advertised a low success rate I could accept the argument for consideration, but when they are advertised
as
close to 100% effective I have a problem with the argument.
If the vaccine has a close to 100% effectiveness rate then covid infected people poses no significative risk against vaccinated
people. Screeching "UNVACCINATED PEOPLE IS KILLING US" is then quite a radical and baseless accusation to make. Specially when
you
have declared you don't care if unvaccinated people gets screwed up - in which case unvaccinated people passing the virus to
other
unvaccinated people is not a problem for you.
Most importantly, you have declared that anybody who follows recomendations, such as keeping distance, wearing a mask and taking
the shots is fully protected - at which point the notion of unvaccinated people passing the disease to people who follows
procedure
is not possible.
From your point of view, the best outcome is for idiots and morons and Trumpsters to NOT take the vaccine so they all die
because
everybody else is completely protected. Which is why I am still wondering why you are campaigning so hard in this echo since it
torpedoes your own position.
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That's not true. None of the vaccines you mentioned are completely effective. The diphtheria vaccine, for example, is only about 96% or 97% effective after
3 doses (about 55% effective after 1 dose).
The reason why the vaccines look to be perfectly effective is because we have herd immunity. More than 99.9% of civilized people are fully vaccinated, usually as a baby. Even if each individual is only 96% protected, everybody else in society is equally protected and there's next to no opportunity to get infected.
Outbreaks do still happen. Sadly, because of the anti-vax movement, there has been an increase in outbreaks for many of the diseases that we used to have herd immunity against.
well you believe wrong.
https://i.imgur.com/Jjp1gnZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/aLhghHW.png
are you the world's greatest doctor? you know something the entire world doesn't know?
What some would call u-turns, others would call changing hypotheses as data and evidence presents itself. It's called Science.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Mon Sep 13 2021 04:19 pm
Other people can get sick even if there is no symptons of the virus and no individual has the right to get other people sick
and
possible die. You real need to do more research and learn the facts. It has nothing to do with politics and the folkes at CDC
have more intelligence then you.
If the vaccines were advertised a low success rate I could accept the argument for consideration, but when they are advertised
as
close to 100% effective I have a problem with the argument.
If the vaccine has a close to 100% effectiveness rate then covid infected people poses no significative risk against vaccinated
people. Screeching "UNVACCINATED PEOPLE IS KILLING US" is then quite a radical and baseless accusation to make. Specially when
you
have declared you don't care if unvaccinated people gets screwed up - in which case unvaccinated people passing the virus to
other
unvaccinated people is not a problem for you.
Most importantly, you have declared that anybody who follows recomendations, such as keeping distance, wearing a mask and taking
the shots is fully protected - at which point the notion of unvaccinated people passing the disease to people who follows
procedure
is not possible.
From your point of view, the best outcome is for idiots and morons and Trumpsters to NOT take the vaccine so they all die
because
everybody else is completely protected. Which is why I am still wondering why you are campaigning so hard in this echo since it
torpedoes your own position.
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plt wrote to Dr. What <=-
I have and you have been reading bad information. If you believe that
the virus is not dangerous and fail to follow the CDC guidelines then
our living in a different world of delusions, on drugs or a very sick person.
The only one making false narratives is you. You continue to fail to
read the medical documents an like to spread false information to only cause confusion.
Or may be your brain washed like some of the other GOP officials.
plt wrote to Dr. What <=-
Since your seem to lack the proper intelligence
Read this: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/immun o.html
What are the risks of vaccinating individuals with an additional dose? serious side effects are rare, but may occur.
You do not have a doctor degress and lack the intelligence to
understand what the virus is and how to prevent it from spreading. You acting just like some of the GOP acting like your acting with the infulence of Satan the Devil. Your comments or irrelevent i and you
have evidence to back up what your saying. You only making speculations that is leading to spreading additional false information.
John Martin wrote to Dr. What <=-
If the elites believe they can "reboot" our civilisation, good luck to them. We are, as it were, between two ages.
Denn wrote to plt <=-
When the virus started he down played it by saying something like" I am not concerned it it go away" so may life's where wasted because of Trump.
Uhm totally provably false,
Denn wrote to John Martin <=-
After I had my vaccine I got an enlarged heart like so many others, I think I would have rather had covid than the side effects.
Denn wrote to plt <=-
The problem I see is the leftists always stubornly think they're right
no matter what.
plt wrote to Denn <=-
I have and the shot works if you follow the CDC guidelines.
Why is that so hard for you to understand.
Maybe if you stop listening to the
GOP you may undestand what I have been explaining.
I have already read
and post the information hee from CDC and By the way CDC is more
qualified then you in medcal.
plt wrote to Denn <=-
Maybe for some folkes that have a medical reason can not take the shot
but for most people they can take it, it works as long as they follow
and do what the CDC recommended. To make your stupid points when the shots work to help prevent the flue and other related virus. ITS BEN
USED FOR THE PAST SEVERAL DECADES AND IT WORKS.
John Martin wrote to Utopian Galt <=-
If we've been so divided that we cannot engage in meaningful discourse
we will all suffer as a result.
I do find it amusing that both the Left
and the Right simultaneously carry beliefs in their head which are in diametrical opposition. We have truly arrived at the "Age of
Confusion".
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to John Martin <=-
What some would call u-turns, others would call changing hypotheses as data and evidence presents itself. It's called Science.
are you the world's greatest doctor? you know something the entire world doesn't know?
There are plenty of doctors who have spoken about viral load in the past and
have provided evidence contrary to yours. No virus in history has behaved in the way you suggest which either means you are wrong, or this is an unnatural disease.
Denn wrote to plt <=-
When the virus started he down played it by saying something like" I am not concerned it it go away" so may life's where wasted because of Trump.
Uhm totally provably false,
Please don't use facts on the Leftie. It only confuses and triggers him.
plt wrote to Denn <=-
Maybe for some folkes that have a medical reason can not take the shot but for most people they can take it, it works as long as they follow and do what the CDC recommended. To make your stupid points when the shots work to help prevent the flue and other related
virus. ITS BEN
USED FOR THE PAST SEVERAL DECADES AND IT WORKS.
You know, for someone who supposedly reads the medical literature, you know very little.
The common flu vaccine has been around for a long time. It's proven to be safe (at least its side effects and dangers are well
documented) and has shown to have no long term health issues.
The COVID not-vaccine is not a vaccine (by the actual definiton of "vaccine" as opposed to the one the CDC edited last week).
It's
based on research that has NEVER produced a successful vaccine. It has not been tested. It's side effects are not well
documented
(in many cases, the side effects are being willfully covered up). It has not been around long enough to demonstrate any long
term
health issues.
John Martin wrote to Utopian Galt <=-
If we've been so divided that we cannot engage in meaningful discourse we will all suffer as a result.
It's not the division. You cannot have meaningful discourse with someone who is certain that they are correct - no matter how
much
evidence you provide otherwise.
I do find it amusing that both the Left
and the Right simultaneously carry beliefs in their head which are in diametrical opposition. We have truly arrived at the
"Age of
Confusion".
Only because the biggest megaphones of society (Hollywood, Media, Education) have been taken over and completely ruined by the
Left
in order to spew out their propaganda.
When everything out there is yelling "X is not true" yet you know that "X is true", it's hard to keep that in your head since
you
have to spend a large amount of brain power to counter the false information.
It's not the division. You cannot have meaningful discourse with someone who is certain that they are correct - no matter how much evidence you provide otherwise.
Only because the biggest megaphones of society (Hollywood, Media, Education) have been taken over and completely ruined by the Left in order to spew out their propaganda.
When everything out there is yelling "X is not true" yet you know that "X is true", it's hard to keep that in your head since you have to spend a large amount of brain power to counter the false information.
plt wrote to Dr. What <=-
Everything you said has no facts, so stop giving out false informaion fool.
I never said that, so stop twisting the faxts.
The Covid-19 is a deadly virus that is fact
and the vaccine
with following the CDC guidelines help stop the spread of the virus.
Next time you reply post som facts
or the best thing is to keep your mounth shut.
TOne is stop ingoring the facts the vaccine has proven to help the
spread of viruses. Go away your Saton troll.
plt wrote to Dr. What <=-
Everything you said has no facts, so stop giving out false informaion fool.
Standard Leftie: Assertions with no factual basis and name calling.
No wonder why I keep telling people not to bother discussing thing with people like you. You can't have a discussion with
someone
who just tells you that you are wrong without any facts or arguments to back them up.
I never said that, so stop twisting the faxts.
More out of the Leftie playbook: "Twisting the facts" means pointing out inconvienent facts tht counter the false Narrative the
Leftie is trying to push.
The Covid-19 is a deadly virus that is fact
No. That's Narrative. Survival rate is 99%+. In my state, only 0.7% of the population were "cases" (and most of those were
false
positives). The death rate was only 0.07% (conflating the "with" COVID and the "from" COVID numbers).
and the vaccine
It's not a vaccine. Look up the definition of "vaccine" from a non-Leftie propaganda site.
At best, it's a theraputic. It does not give immunity. And data out of Isreal is proving that the vaccinated fare WORSE
against
the variants than the unvaccinated.
with following the CDC guidelines help stop the spread of the virus.
"Two weeks to slow the spread". Remember that lie?
The CDC has no credibility.
Next time you reply post som facts
or the best thing is to keep your mounth shut.
More Leftie eliteism: "Just be quiet and accept the Narrative because I'm smarter than you."
TOne is stop ingoring the facts the vaccine has proven to help the spread of viruses. Go away your Saton troll.
And I can tell he's triggered by all the mistyping he's doing.
But that's what happens to a Leftie when confronted by facts that counter his precious Narrative. He has to come to grips with
the
fact that he's not nearly intelligent and elite as he believes to be.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to John Martin on Tue Sep 14 2021 08:47:00
It's not the division. You cannot have meaningful discourse with someone who is certain that they are correct - no matter
how
much evidence you provide otherwise.
It is really quite frustrating to speak with people who observe a kind of religious devotion to their own version of the truth.
I
believe the MSM is fanning the flames by reinforcing their tunnel vision narrative.
Only because the biggest megaphones of society (Hollywood, Media, Education) have been taken over and completely ruined by
the
Left in order to spew out their propaganda.
When everything out there is yelling "X is not true" yet you know that "X is true", it's hard to keep that in your head since
you have to spend a large amount of brain power to counter the false information.
They always feign total ignorance too. This puts you in a position where you have to explain all of the universe; scientific
basis,
how politics and the media works -- you are then in a position where you have to explain all of that while they attempt to
undermine your argument whilst playing dumb saying "this cannot be, this cannot be the case." It is a fake naivety that requires
you to do all the running, all the leg work and in the end you are met with a blank slate and an attitude of "why does it
matter,
why do you care about this?" The onus is on you to explain the entire world and all of human affairs while they feign complete
ignorance because their default position is that the world is some sort of "Disney Wonderland" with you having to explain why
that
isn't the case while they look down their nose at you.
plt wrote to Dr. What <=-
More people are dying from the virus then getting shots.
You never
posted any proof just her say on the other things you said, so your
being ingored. Proof speaks the truth.
The CDC has more education then you will ever have in your life time.
It has nothing to with politics, so get over! Your the one that is
making it a political issue.
> pl> I doubt that. You talk and think like your a real idiot.plt wrote to Dr. What <=-
"you're" not "your". If you want to be taken seriously, you need to fix your grammar. But you're a leftie, so no one will take
you seriously.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to John Martin on Tue Sep 14 2021 08:47:00
It's not the division. You cannot have meaningful discourse with someone who is certain that they are correct - no matter
how
much evidence you provide otherwise.
It is really quite frustrating to speak with people who observe a kind of religious devotion to their own version of the truth.
I
believe the MSM is fanning the flames by reinforcing their tunnel vision narrative.
Only because the biggest megaphones of society (Hollywood, Media, Education) have been taken over and completely ruined by
the
Left in order to spew out their propaganda.
When everything out there is yelling "X is not true" yet you know that "X is true", it's hard to keep that in your head since
you have to spend a large amount of brain power to counter the false information.
They always feign total ignorance too. This puts you in a position where you have to explain all of the universe; scientific
basis,
how politics and the media works -- you are then in a position where you have to explain all of that while they attempt to
undermine your argument whilst playing dumb saying "this cannot be, this cannot be the case." It is a fake naivety that requires
you to do all the running, all the leg work and in the end you are met with a blank slate and an attitude of "why does it
matter,
why do you care about this?" The onus is on you to explain the entire world and all of human affairs while they feign complete
ignorance because their default position is that the world is some sort of "Disney Wonderland" with you having to explain why
that
isn't the case while they look down their nose at you.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to plt on Thu Sep 16 2021 07:56 am
> pl> I doubt that. You talk and think like your a real idiot.plt wrote to Dr. What <=-
"you're" not "your". If you want to be taken seriously, you need to fix your grammar. But you're a leftie, so no one will take you seriously.
You need a imrpovement on your education. o back to school to learn how to read and understand real facts first.
why is idiot phil using multiple accounts to post on dovenet.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to SBBSVA on Fri Sep 17 2021 10:06 am
why is idiot phil using multiple accounts to post on dovenet.
You've used multiple accounts to post on Dove-Net (not often, but I've
seen
it).. And you're questioning others doing it?
why is idiot phil using multiple accounts to post on dovenet.
Dr What has a mental issue that prevents him from knowing what is the differen
between reality and finction. Dr. What continues to say stupid ass remarks wi
out posting any evidence of what he is sayin is true. He walked and talks lik
the people that live back in the 1800's. Post some proof, or keep your damn mo
h shut for now on.
why is idiot phil using multiple accounts to post on dovenet.
Dr What has a mental issue that prevents him from knowing what is the differen
between reality and finction. Dr. What continues to say stupid ass remarks wi
out posting any evidence of what he is sayin is true. He walked and talks lik
the people that live back in the 1800's. Post some proof, or keep your damn mo
h shut for now on.
I believe that people in the 1800s may have been smarter than they are now.
* SLMR 2.1a * Direct from the Ministry of Silly Walks
SBBSVA wrote to John Martin <=-
Dr What has a mental issue that prevents him from knowing what is the difference between reality and finction.
MRO wrote to SBBSVA <=-
why is idiot phil using multiple accounts to post on dovenet.
Dumas Walker wrote to PLT <=-
I believe that people in the 1800s may have been smarter than they are now.
why is idiot phil using multiple accounts to post on dovenet.
Looks like he maybe accidentally responded to messages in his BBS's QWK account QWK packets, or while logged in as his BBS account on Vert?
* SLMR 2.1a * Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.
MRO wrote to SBBSVA <=-
why is idiot phil using multiple accounts to post on dovenet.
Personally, I think that there are really only 2 or 3 of these people here. They post on 1 handle until people stop looking at their posts, then switch to a new one for a while.
SBBSVA wrote to John Martin <=-
Dr What has a mental issue that prevents him from knowing what is the difference between reality and finction.
Standard Leftie tactic: Make up something about his opponent with no factual basis, then pretend that he is correct in his
assessment.
Coupled with another standard Leftie tactic: Smear his opponent with a label without any argument or evidence.
Leftie Elites like this seem to hold a position that they are "correct" and will permit no amount of discussion otherwise.
... You go to heaven...God sneezes... What do you say?
Dr What has a mental issue that prevents him from knowing what is the diff
between reality and finction. Dr. What continues to say stupid ass remark
out posting any evidence of what he is sayin is true. He walked and talks the people that live back in the 1800's. Post some proof, or keep your dam h shut for now on.
I believe that people in the 1800s may have been smarter than they are now.
* SLMR 2.1a * Direct from the Ministry of Silly Walks
Uhm totally provably false,
Took early action to cut off travel from China
Define early? And Action?
liberals were actually calling him a xenophobe for his china travel ban.
The problem I see is the leftists always stubornly think they're
right no matter what. they live in a bubble and only read from
approved leftist marxist communist playbook. you really should get
out of your bubble and look at all the research instead of just the
"approved resarch".
I have and the shot works if you follow the CDC guidelines. Why is
that so hard for you to understand. Maybe if you stop listening to
the GOP you may undestand what I have been explaining. I have
already read and post the information hee from CDC and By the way
CDC is more qualified then you in medcal.
That's exactly the point I made that you stick to one "APPROVED point
of view" and you fail to look at aother reputable studies and experts.
I had the shots and like so many others had a enlarged heart
afterwards, the "vaccine" is not as safe as leftist propaganists say
it is.
I can understand if someone has a medical condition that prevents them from getting their shot but for the idiots that do not do it and following the CDC guidelines I have no pitty on them.
I want to make one more point that someone people live in this world driven by the influenced by Satan the devil making them by no other means with a twisted minds, living in a dream world of finction, go only by assumptions with no real evidence to prove what they are saying.
Some of the member's of The GOP only made the problem the virus worse when all this crap started it shows that some of them got their head stuck up their *ss that they fail to see what is going on. Yes, The GOP is so hooked in deregulating the government that they are part of the problem and not part of the solution to our problems. We an go on all day with this crap such as global warning and all the other f*ckups The Gop did, its not going to get better until this system of things come to end because man was never made to rul the earth.
Any how if you ignore the recommendations like Trump did when the virus started then you have a good chance of getting it. So what is better to live or die.
I can obtain a vaccine which is specific to my travel destination, go there with impunity and thereafter return home without any concern about spreading a tropical disease to a population possessing no heard immunity. I researched the diptheria vaccine and you are right. The booster shots occur once each decade, however. The concern most of us are having with the COVID shots is the suggestion that boosters are part of the requirement to maintain a valid health-passport. I am not anti-vaccine as I am double jabbed myself. My argument is purely against the idea of mandated vaccines -- the vulnerable have already been vaccinated, no one else needs to be. The mortality rate for people below the age of 65 who have no comorbidities is insignificant renering the vaccine needless.
Uhm totally provably false,
Please don't use facts on the Leftie. It only confuses and triggers him.
"It's amazing that so many people on the left are able to just ignore that which goes against their theories."
After I had my vaccine I got an enlarged heart like so many others,
I think I would have rather had covid than the side effects.
It was predicted early on that our response to COVID would kill more people than COVID.
The problem I see is the leftists always stubornly think they're
right no matter what.
That's why we call them the "Elites". They believe that they are far smarter than everyone else and that they don't need to discuss anything. People should just defer to their wisdom.
That's also why it's so frustrating to have a discussion with them. Most people have the idea that they are right, but if given good evidence and argument, they might change their minds. The Leftie Elites can only accept the idea that they are right and no matter what facts or arguments you bring, they will hold that they are right.
The common flu vaccine has been around for a long time. It's proven
to be safe (at least its side effects and dangers are well
documented) and has shown to have no long term health issues.
Everything you said has no facts, so stop giving out false informaion fool.
The COVID not-vaccine is not a vaccine (by the actual definiton of"vaccine" as opposed to the one the CDC edited last week). It's
based on research that has NEVER produced a successful vaccine. It
has not been tested. It's side effects are not well documented
(in many cases, the side effects are being willfully covered up). It
has not been around long enough to demonstrate any long term
health issues.
I never said that, so stop twisting the faxts. The Covid-19 is a deadly virus that is fact and the vaccine with following the CDC guidelines help stop the spread of the virus. Next time you reply post som facts or the best thing is to keep your mounth shut.
You posted he same reply and you know nothing about the virus. Go away Satan the devil because your acting just like him.
In the 1800's the literacy level was actually pretty low for the mainstream population. Unless you were becoming a doctor or other skill that required additional schooling, most would not continue past a 5th grade education. Once you became old enough to work and live on your own (age 15-16) you were expected to quit school and work on the farm or leave home and work on your own. This had pretty much been a trend well up and into the 1950's and 60's
Most industrial jobs did not require a high school diploma nor the additional schooling.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Mon Sep 13 2021 04:19 pm
The problem I see is the leftists always stubornly think they're
right no matter what. they live in a bubble and only read from
approved leftist marxist communist playbook. you really should get >>> out of your bubble and look at all the research instead of just the >>> "approved resarch".
I have and the shot works if you follow the CDC guidelines. Why is pl>> that so hard for you to understand. Maybe if you stop listening to pl>> the GOP you may undestand what I have been explaining. I have
already read and post the information hee from CDC and By the way pl>> CDC is more qualified then you in medcal.
That's exactly the point I made that you stick to one "APPROVED point
of view" and you fail to look at aother reputable studies and experts.
I had the shots and like so many others had a enlarged heart
afterwards, the "vaccine" is not as safe as leftist propaganists say
it is.
I can understand if someone has a medical condition that prevents them from getting their shot but for the idiots that do
not
do it and following the CDC guidelines I have no pitty on them.
If you have the shots you're protected, the whole point of getting the shots. alot of people that aren't getting the shots have
already had Covid and have natural immunities from covid that is superior to having the vaccine.
Most people will do just fine if they get covid.
Overweight people and Elderly with comorbidities are the two groups that die the most from covid.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Mon Sep 13 2021 05:19 pm
I want to make one more point that someone people live in this world driven by the influenced by Satan the devil making
them
by no other means with a twisted minds, living in a dream world of finction, go only by assumptions with no real evidence
to
prove what they are saying.
Wow, sorry can't really grasp the point you're trying to make in the above paragraph, It's a little bit looney.
Some of the member's of The GOP only made the problem the virus worse when all this crap started it shows that some of them
got their head stuck up their *ss that they fail to see what is going on. Yes, The GOP is so hooked in deregulating the
government that they are part of the problem and not part of the solution to our problems. We an go on all day with this
crap
such as global warning and all the other f*ckups The Gop did, its not going to get better until this system of things come
to
end because man was never made to rul the earth.
I think you're lost in your alternate reality.
the Government has very few of the answers to covid.
If the shots work why are Idiots that had the shots wearing masks?
If the un vaccinated are wearing masks around vaccinated people why are the vaccinated people also wearing masks?
I am vaccinated and I don't wear a mask.
I see morons outside by themselves wearing a mask, I see Idiot's in their cars by themselves wearing a mask.
I believe that people in the 1800s may have been smarter than they are now.
I wanted to disagree with that. But then I read some other posts here. 8)
I believe that people in the 1800s may have been smarter than they are now.
In the 1800's the literacy level was actually pretty low for the mainstream population. Unless you were becoming a doctor or other skill that required additional schooling, most would not continue past a 5th grade education. Once you became old enough to work and live on your own (age 15-16) you were expected to quit school and work on the farm or leave home and work on your own. This had pretty much been a trend well up and into the 1950's and 60's.
Most industrial jobs did not require a high school diploma nor the additional schooling.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Dr. What on Tue Sep 14 2021 03:34 pm
You posted he same reply and you know nothing about the virus. Go away Satan the devil because your acting just like him.
oh so you know Satan?
It's you not me and I have already did my research. Stop listening to The GOP, because they are idiots.
worse when all this crap started it shows that some of them got
their head stuck up their *ss that they fail to see what is going
on. Yes, The GOP is so hooked in deregulating the government that
they are part of the problem and not part of the solution to our
problems. We an go on all day with this crap such as global
warning and all the other f*ckups The Gop did, its not going to
get better until this system of things come to end because man was
never made to rul the earth.
The only one that lost their screws is you. You and Dr. Who continue to spread false information with no evidence to prove what your saying. Show it or maybe you should keep your mouth shut.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Dr. What on Tue Sep 14 2021 03:03 pm
The common flu vaccine has been around for a long time. It's proven
to be safe (at least its side effects and dangers are well
documented) and has shown to have no long term health issues.
Everything you said has no facts, so stop giving out false informaion fool.
The COVID not-vaccine is not a vaccine (by the actual definiton of"vaccine" as opposed to the one the CDC edited last week). It's
based on research that has NEVER produced a successful vaccine. It
has not been tested. It's side effects are not well documented
(in many cases, the side effects are being willfully covered up). It
has not been around long enough to demonstrate any long term
health issues.
Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-
They can hear but they don't listen.
Even when you do the work of researching facts for them they ignore facts.
When they say something to us they say "Listen to the science"
but they never say what the science is, they just use that as a sheild.
plt wrote to Denn <=-
Your just like Dr. Who.
I have and the shot works if you follow the CDC guidelines. Why is pl>> that so hard for you to understand. Maybe if you stop listening to pl>> the GOP you may undestand what I have been explaining. I have
already read and post the information hee from CDC and By the way pl>> CDC is more qualified then you in medcal.
Where is your evidence?
That is not what the CDC is saying. Stop spreading false information.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Sun Sep 19 2021 05:54 am
It's you not me and I have already did my research. Stop listening to The GOP, because they are idiots.
No it's you trapped in your little orb not willing to read studies on theraputics and treatments that have been proven
effective.
CNN, MSNBC, NYT and others are politically charged and kiss the asses of the DNC, The Democrats themselves aren't worried about
Covid, look at London Breed Mayor of San Fran Cisco caught defying her own mask mandate in doors, Look at Gavin Newsome after
closing in door dinning in California then gathered in doors at the French Laundry Restraunt where nobody wore masks, Look at
Obama
and his huge maskless birthday party on Martha's vinyard.
It's you dude stop listening to your hypocrites on the left, Oh I forgot a big one, Nancy Pelosi going to a Salon maskless and
the
Salon was shut down due to Covid at the time.
All these mandates are is a big power over people grab, I do agree with one point of yours and that is that man sucks at ruling
man.
Republicans are for smaller Government and less invasion of peoples rights, Democrats want to controll everyone like they do in
Cuba.
The only one that lost their screws is you. You and Dr. Who continue to spread false information with no evidence to prove
what your saying. Show it or maybe you should keep your mouth shut.
Actually Dr Who is right on point on most of his post's, he is articulate and gets to the point, you on the other hand remind
me
of the crazy old preacher type trying to scold everone.
plt wrote to Denn <=-
Your just like Dr. Who.
It's "You're" not "your".
It's easy to tell me from my younger brother Dr. Who. I'm the smarter and better looking one.
youI have and the shot works if you follow the CDC guidelines. Why is pl>> that so hard for you to understand. Maybe if
stop listening to pl>> the GOP you may undestand what I have been explaining. I have
already read and post the information hee from CDC and By the way pl>> CDC is more qualified then you in medcal.
Where is your evidence?
So you are demanding that you provide your evidence.
That is not what the CDC is saying. Stop spreading false information.
No one cares what the CDC says anymore.
The common flu vaccine has been around for a long time. It's
proven to be safe (at least its side effects and dangers are well
documented) and has shown to have no long term health issues.
Look I am a diabetic Type 2, I have been in and out of the hospital several times for for the past 12 months, been in rehab for 3 weks where several of the patience where infected with the Cvvid virus. I lowered my chances of getting the virus by getitng my shot, wear a mask and followed the CDC recommendations. That should be enough proof.
+ The virus is very dangerous.
+ The virus is spreading and more people are getting infected. Do you research + If you do not want to follow the CDC recommendations and you get sick or die then your the only one to blame. + The Covid HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITITCS + Spreading false information will only make the matters worse. + For the following reason above MAN WAS NEVER MADE TO RULE THE EARTH BECAUSE THERE ARE TO MANY IDIOTS ON EARTH.
Everything you said has no facts, so stop giving out false
informaion fool.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Sun Sep 19 2021 06:30 pm
The common flu vaccine has been around for a long time. It's
proven to be safe (at least its side effects and dangers are well
documented) and has shown to have no long term health issues.
I get the flu shot every year, but the covid vaccine Moderna and Pfisr are not anything like the flu shot, they're a whole new
science based on mRNA.
While so far seems to be fairly safe there are side effects in some people like me that had heart enlargement and kidney side
effects.
I'm doing good now but for a few months I had these side effects.
and you saying there is no documented long term health issues well It could take many years to Document, these vaccines are
less
than a year in the emergency approval period so NO it's NOT well documented.
Look I am a diabetic Type 2, I have been in and out of the hospital several times for for the past 12 months, been in rehab
for 3 weks where several of the patience where infected with the Cvvid virus. I lowered my chances of getting the virus by
getitng my shot, wear a mask and followed the CDC recommendations. That should be enough proof.
I got my shot so I don't need to wear a mask, I have been around people who have had Covid 1st strain and I never got it that I
know of, if I did it was mild, Even Fauci said cloth and paper masks dont work, and many doctors say those type of masks dont
work.
The virus is only Dangerous to Obese people, Elderly people and people with comorbidities.
I know many people that got Covid and were sick for like 2 days and recovered just fine, I knew one guy that died but he was
older
and they put him on a ventilator.
Sounds to me like you're overly worried about covid, if you get covid you're over 98% likely to recover unless you're Obese or
have Comorbidities.
Your chances of dying in an auto accident are far greater.
Everything you said has no facts, so stop giving out false
informaion fool.
Everything I said is true, you're the one trying to make covid sound like a death sentence.
They can hear but they don't listen.
Even when you do the work of researching facts for them they ignore
facts.
Which is why I don't waste my time doing the research for them.
They don't actually want to see the facts/evidence/etc. They just want to 1. Wear you out mentally so you don't do something real to stop this mess. and
2. Attack your sources (as opposed to making an argument why your source is incorrect).
but they never say what the science is, they just use that as a
sheild.
Lefties call it "science", but they treat it as a religion. Like any religious zealot, their beliefs are not questionable or discussable.
Where is your evidence?
So you are demanding that you provide your evidence.
That is not what the CDC is saying. Stop spreading false
information.
No one cares what the CDC says anymore.
I am not a preacher but a person that looks at the facts using logic. All the post that DR. who posted he did not include any facts to prove what he was saying. In a court of law that would be considred to be her say.
You do not care of there is no law and order our accountability in our society. Do you do not care to have a government so if you got shot dying on the street or have our society like Grand Theift Auto do you? Are your house gets broken in to and the police never respond? Be carefull what you wish for because it could come true. Bad things happen to bad people.
I got my shot and I wear my mask if I am around a lot of people that is not wearing one. It's not worth taking the risk. Sometimes I wonder where people get their information from. Some of them are not real doctors
If a person did not get their shot, hanging around a large mount of people and not wearing a mask, then they can be at risk of getting the virus.
I do not really care as long as someone does not give it to me or to one of my friends. But it's not right to walked about not having the shot and not wearing a mask and people other peoples lives at risk.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Sun Sep 19 2021 09:48 pm
I am not a preacher but a person that looks at the facts using logic. All the post that DR. who posted he did not include
any
facts to prove what he was saying. In a court of law that would be considred to be her say.
Your logic so far is unlogical, you say it's not political then you bash the GOP.
Dr. Who pointed out some facts that you could search out to see if he is right or not.
BTW use duck duck go as the asshats at Google are partisn hacks that block good information about Covid.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Mon Sep 20 2021 01:44 am
I got my shot and I wear my mask if I am around a lot of people that is not wearing one. It's not worth taking the risk.
Sometimes I wonder where people get their information from. Some of them are not real doctors
You can wear a mask, that's a choice that you're free to make.
I choose not to wear a mask, that's my choice, If someone chooses not to get the vaccine that's fine with me I am protected.
I get information from many places including the CDC, UK, Isreal, Studies from reputable orgaizations.
If a person did not get their shot, hanging around a large mount of people and not wearing a mask, then they can be at risk
of
getting the virus.
That's their choice, not mine, your's or the Governments, if they get Covid they have over a 98% chance of survival.
I do not really care as long as someone does not give it to me or to one of my friends. But it's not right to walked about
not
having the shot and not wearing a mask and people other peoples lives at risk.
Sure it is, thats their business if they get a shot or not.
you have your shot so you're protected right? and you said you wear a mask even so you can still get Covid, even if you had
Covid
you can still get it.
If you get covid you get it.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Sun Sep 19 2021 09:48 pm
I am not a preacher but a person that looks at the facts using logic. All the post that DR. who posted he did not include
any
facts to prove what he was saying. In a court of law that would be considred to be her say.
Your logic so far is unlogical, you say it's not political then you bash the GOP.
Dr. Who pointed out some facts that you could search out to see if he is right or not.
Right now 70% of hospitalizations in the USA are people who have been vaccinated, So Joe Bite me saying it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated is totally false.
Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-
Even if you post a link to real research with true facts they will not
go look it up, I give plt the facts, it's up to him to duck duck go it.
plt is an alarmist and he is overly paranoid.
Yes, and in his case he say's it's not political and then say don't listen to the GOP <-that's political lol.
Im not sure if it's a religion or a mental disorder.
Denn wrote to plt <=-
I get the flu shot every year, but the covid vaccine Moderna and Pfisr are not anything like the flu shot, they're a whole new science based
on mRNA.
I am not bashing the GOP anf you go back when Trump was in office and this virus thing started he play down the entire issue. Go back and listen to the Trump interview it's there black and white.
being around a large amount of people, not getting your shot is it worth taking the risk. If no, then stay away from other people becaue they do not want the virus and respected their rights. It's clear and simple
Your logic so far is unlogical, you say it's not political then you
bash the GOP. Dr. Who pointed out some facts that you could search out
to see if he is right or not.
You forgot what rump did when this virus started by playing down the entire issue. Tell the entire truth if Trump had did something about it when it started more lives could have been safed. Clear and simple.
Right now 70% of hospitalizations in the USA are people who have been
vaccinated, So Joe Bite me saying it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated
is totally false.
I think you might want to take in some more data points on that one.
Even if you post a link to real research with true facts they will
not go look it up, I give plt the facts, it's up to him to duck duck
go it. plt is an alarmist and he is overly paranoid.
I don't think so. He's what they call a "useful idiot". From Wikipedia: "In political jargon, a useful idiot is a derogatory term for a person
Yes, the hypocracy and complete lack of self-awareness is a hallmark of those kinds of people.
I get the flu shot every year, but the covid vaccine Moderna and
Pfisr are not anything like the flu shot, they're a whole new
science based on mRNA.
The flu shot is an actual vaccine.
What is very interesting is how many sites have CHANGED the definition of vaccine to match the false Narrative being pushed.
Denn wrote to plt <=-
I get the flu shot every year, but the covid vaccine Moderna and Pfisr are not anything like the flu shot, they're a whole
new science based
on mRNA.
The flu shot is an actual vaccine.
From Encyclopedia Britannica:
"Vaccine, suspension of weakened, killed, or fragmented microorganisms or toxins or of antibodies or lymphocytes that is
administered primarily to prevent disease."
"A vaccine can confer active immunity against a specific harmful agent by stimulating the immune system to attack the agent.
Once
stimulated by a vaccine, the antibody-producing cells, called B cells (or B lymphocytes), remain sensitized and ready to respond
to
the agent should it ever gain entry to the body."
The incubate what's expected to be the flu variant this year (that's why it sometimes takes a while to make the vaccine - they
may
not have figured out what variant this year), weaken or kill the virus, then inject it in to you.
The COVID vaccine is none of this.
What is very interesting is how many sites have CHANGED the definition of vaccine to match the false Narrative being pushed.
... If it works, rip it apart and find out why!
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to Denn on Mon Sep 20 2021 08:28 am
I get the flu shot every year, but the covid vaccine Moderna and
Pfisr are not anything like the flu shot, they're a whole new
science based on mRNA.
The flu shot is an actual vaccine.
on this premise everyone saying "get vaccinated" against Covid would be wrong lol.
What is very interesting is how many sites have CHANGED the definition of vaccine to match the false Narrative being
pushed.
He took early action while Democrats were saying Covid wasn't a big deal.
December 31 Reports emerge that China investigating illness.
January 21: First US case confirmed
January 29: US coronavirus task force created
January 31: Trump blocks travel from China
That's pretty Damned fast, fact Trump took imediadte actions.
I see morons outside by themselves wearing a mask, I see Idiot's in their cars >by themselves wearing a mask.
When they say something to us they say "Listen to the science" but they never say what the science is, they just use that as a sheild.
This is specially true these days since there has been a conscious effort for making College education accessible for everybody.
They can hear but they don't listen. Even when you do the
work of researching facts for them they ignore facts. When
they say something to us they say "Listen to the science"
but they never say what the science is, they just use that
as a sheild.
I see morons outside by themselves wearing a mask, I see Idiot's in their cars >by themselves wearing a mask.
If you go by the "you are supposed to wear a mask in public" and "you are not supposed to touch your mask often" logic, I can get why people wear
them in their cars between stops.
I don't like to personally, unless it is real cold out, and it has not been real cold out in a while.
You should post something like this in the FIDO Politics echo. There, they will respond with "he did not do anything!" and then, when you point out on the same timeline what people like Pelosi, De Blassio, and Cuomo were saying and doing, they will claim that "no, they were not encouraging people to visit or mingle in crowds." Malarkey.
I see morons outside by themselves wearing a mask, I see Idiot's in
their cars by themselves wearing a mask.
If you go by the "you are supposed to wear a mask in public" and "you are not supposed to touch your mask often" logic, I can get why people wear them in their cars between stops.
wearing a mask stops the car from fogging up in the cold.
Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-
Yes I have heard this line of reasoning, to me it sounds like cultist behavior.
Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-
What is very interesting is how many sites have CHANGED the definition of vaccine to match the false Narrative being pushed.
Definitions are being changed allot these days to fit a political narrative.
Denn wrote to plt <=-
I refuse to run and hide from a virus that has a low mortallity rate
like covid, If I get it I will seek out the theraputics 1st, when you
get put on a vent that's when your survival rates start to go down significantly.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Mon Sep 20 2021 10:00 pm
wearing a mask stops the car from fogging up in the cold.
But my glasses still fog up.
I refuse to run and hide from a virus that has a low mortallity rate
like covid, If I get it I will seek out the theraputics 1st, when
you get put on a vent that's when your survival rates start to go
down significantly.
Part of the problem today is that the gov't and its Propaganda Ministry are actively blocking access to those theraputics.
We already have a case where a patient's doctor prescrived Iverectin (you know, the Nobel Prize winning medication for humans that's been proven to be effective and have little side effects - despite what the Propaganda Ministry is pushing) and the hospital refused to administer it.
They took the hospital to court and the court initially overruled the hospital, but that got blocked by a higher court.
Unfortunately, the patient died. Our legal process works too slowly in many cases.
wearing a mask stops the car from fogging up in the cold.
But my glasses still fog up.
put dishsoap on them and wipe them clean.
or buy contact lenses.
In a country where anyone can report on things, and social media
spreads faster than infection vectors, it would absolutely have been
reported. Anything else is purely delusional.
You may not have noticed that the major social media platforms are part of the
Propaganda ministry. They kick off anyone who voices something that goes counter to the false Narrative.
Again, that's how vaccines generally work... there have always been
breakthrough cases, but the infection rates, length of illness and
spread factors are greatly reduced.
Then you need to explain this to the "experts" and "leaders" who are
saying otherwise.
being a politician is about keeping slavery going.
If you refering to the virus then it has nothing to do with
politics when people continue to drop dead. Getting a shot and
wearing a mask helps spread the virus. Just like it has been
proven during the past decades with the flue ect...
Bull sh*y and wake up. The people getting infected is going up
and more people are dying. so get you head out of your *ass.
people that had the vaccine can get sick. dont you know that?
yup.
People are more at risk getting sick from he virus then getting the
shot.
Stop listening to Trump, he tells lies, play down the virus when it
first started, part of the blame for the people that died should not be
trusted.
Ahhh... Now I understand. Bad case of TDS here.
In traditional medicine, when a person is vaccinated, that person
is immune to which ever virus or disease they are vaccinated against.
I can be vaccinated for deadly diseases such as tetanus, diptheria,
polio, yellow fever or malaria and be totally immune whereas they
claim that this so called vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching
or spreading the coronavirus.
It sounds like you advocate free choice. I don't think Dr Fauchi is
wise, he has made many u-turns during this pandemic so I would rather
trust my own intuition and live (or die) with the consequences.
What some would call u-turns, others would call changing hypotheses as data and evidence presents itself. It's called Science.
On 9/10/2021 10:17 AM, Dr. What wrote:
Stop listening to Trump, he tells lies, play down the virus when it
first started, part of the blame for the people that died should not be >> trusted.
Ahhh... Now I understand. Bad case of TDS here.
LOL, Trump is a proponent of the shot. He's the guy who green-lit all
the liability shields, funding and emergency approvals.
I don't like to personally, unless it is real cold out, and it has not been
real cold out in a while.
wearing a mask stops the car from fogging up in the cold.
More lives could have been saved if the 5 Governers who sent covid infected patients to elderly care facilities had not done that.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to Denn on Tue Sep 21 2021 09:14 am
wearing a mask stops the car from fogging up in the cold.
But my glasses still fog up.
put dishsoap on them and wipe them clean.
or buy contact lenses.
My company had a no mask required policy for vaccinated people, that all changed yesterday now we all have to wear a paper mask and it's a safety rule that we wear eye protection as well.
I only wear a mask at work at this point.
On 9/10/2021 10:17 AM, Dr. What wrote:
Stop listening to Trump, he tells lies, play down the virus when it
first started, part of the blame for the people that died should not be >> trusted.
Ahhh... Now I understand. Bad case of TDS here.
LOL, Trump is a proponent of the shot. He's the guy who green-lit all
the liability shields, funding and emergency approvals.
--
On 9/12/2021 3:31 AM, John Martin wrote:
In traditional medicine, when a person is vaccinated, that person
is immune to which ever virus or disease they are vaccinated against.
I can be vaccinated for deadly diseases such as tetanus, diptheria, polio, yellow fever or malaria and be totally immune whereas they
claim that this so called vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching
or spreading the coronavirus.
The flu vaccine is typically less than 50% effective... then again,
nobody ever tried to mandate people take it.
--
Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
Dr. What did not do what he was told to do. POST SOMETHING OFF THE INTERNET OR NEWS WITHOUT EDITING IT TO PROVE WHAT HE IS SAY IS TRUE. I AM WAITING AND CHRISTMASS WHERE BE HERE SOON.
It's all overblown... should people get the poke? probably... should
they be forced to, or limited from social events, or have to take
endless boosters? Absolutely not. It's absolutely a money grab, and unless the shield or limitations from liability are removed from the
govt and the pharma companies, nobody should be consider forcing anyone to take it.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Tue Sep 21 2021 05:38 pm
Dr. What did not do what he was told to do. POST SOMETHING OFF THE INTERNET OR NEWS WITHOUT EDITING IT TO PROVE WHAT HE IS
SAY
IS TRUE. I AM WAITING AND CHRISTMASS WHERE BE HERE SOON.
May I ask what your 1st language is
LOL, Trump is a proponent of the shot. He's the guy who green-lit all
the liability shields, funding and emergency approvals.
He stalle when it first started saying something like "I am not worried, it will o away". It's right on the news recording.
More lives could have been saved if the 5 Governers who sent covid
infected patients to elderly care facilities had not done that.
Yes indeed. Remind me, were any of those 5 Republicans, or "Trumpsters"?
My company had a no mask required policy for vaccinated people, that
all changed yesterday now we all have to wear a paper mask and it's a
safety rule that we wear eye protection as well.
I only wear a mask at work at this point.
i just like masks so i dont have to look at people's ugly faces.
govt and the pharma companies, nobody should be consider forcing anyone
to take it.
The flu vaccine is typically less than 50% effective... then again,
nobody ever tried to mandate people take it.
Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-
Seems the far left want's to kill people before they're born and
elderly before it's their time to go.
the far left are depopulationist's.
That's sad.
what ever happened to choice?
Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-
Ahhh... Now I understand. Bad case of TDS here.
LOL, Trump is a proponent of the shot. He's the guy who green-lit all
the liability shields, funding and emergency approvals.
Denn wrote to MRO <=-
My company had a no mask required policy for vaccinated people, that
all changed yesterday now we all have to wear a paper mask and it's a safety rule that we wear eye protection as well.
I only wear a mask at work at this point.
plt wrote to Denn <=-
Dr. What did not do what he was told to do.
POST SOMETHING OFF THE
INTERNET OR NEWS WITHOUT EDITING IT TO PROVE WHAT HE IS SAY IS TRUE. I
AM WAITING AND CHRISTMASS WHERE BE HERE SOON.
Tracker1 wrote to plt <=-
People are more at risk getting sick from he virus then getting the
shot.
Unless you're under 18... then you're at higher risk of getting shot in the US.
Tracker1 wrote to John Martin <=-
The flu vaccine is typically less than 50% effective... then again,
nobody ever tried to mandate people take it.
Denn wrote to MRO <=-
i just like masks so i dont have to look at people's ugly faces.
lol, some look better with a mask, some people have ugly mouths :)
Dr. What did not do what he was told to do. POST SOMETHING OFF THE
INTERNET OR NEWS WITHOUT EDITING IT TO PROVE WHAT HE IS SAY
IS TRUE. I AM WAITING AND CHRISTMASS WHERE BE HERE SOON.
May I ask what your 1st language is
Really none of your f*cking business.
Their goal was always to rule over everyone else. Because they believe themselves to be more intelligent than others, they don't apply any ethical or moral check to their decisions.
They want us to follow the moronic ideas, and what makes it worse is that when their ideas are shown to be moronic, they will refuse to accept the reality of it and double down on their moronic ideas.
My company had a no mask required policy for vaccinated people, that
all changed yesterday now we all have to wear a paper mask and it's
a safety rule that we wear eye protection as well.
I only wear a mask at work at this point.
The only places I'm forced to wear a mask is at medical facilities. I make
The flu vaccine is typically less than 50% effective... then again,
nobody ever tried to mandate people take it.
I remember hearing that only about 20% of the population get the the flu vaccine.
I have a feeling that number is going to go way down this year.
That is not what the CDC is saying. Stop spreading false
information.
No one cares what the CDC says anymore.
I got my shot so I don't need to wear a mask, I have been around people who have had Covid 1st strain and I never got it that I know of, if I did it was mild, Even Fauci said cloth and paper masks dont work, and many doctors say those type of masks dont work.
That's their choice, not mine, your's or the Governments, if they get Covid they have over a 98% chance of survival.
Like i said if something happens and they die, its all on them.
The flu shot is an actual vaccine.
The COVID vaccine is none of this.
What is very interesting is how many sites have CHANGED the definition of vaccine to match the false Narrative being pushed.
Like i said if something happens and they die, its all on them.
Honestly, what bothers me the most isn't this, it's: If something happens, they get covid, and continue going out spreading it
to
others that may be taking precautions, and THOSE people wind up getting sick and possibly dying.. well...
That's what pisses me off the most.
DaiTengu
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Denn to plt on Wed Sep 22 2021 00:11:42
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Tue Sep 21 2021 05:38 pm
Dr. What did not do what he was told to do. POST SOMETHING OFF THE INTERNET OR NEWS WITH
EDITING IT TO PROVE WHAT HE IS SAY
IS TRUE. I AM WAITING AND CHRISTMASS WHERE BE HERE SOON.
May I ask what your 1st language is
Really none of your f*cking business.
So.. what about the J&J Vaccine?
What's your problem with that one?
DaiTengu
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Arelor to plt on Wed Sep 22 2021 15:07:34
Your like the children on the Jerry Springer Show.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Arelor on Wed Sep 22 2021 06:48 pm
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Arelor to plt on Wed Sep 22 2021 15:07:34
Your like the children on the Jerry Springer Show.
Thanks for confirming you speak Usenettian.
Dont forget to visit Fidonet. They speak Fidonettian in many of their echoes, which you will find to be a dialect very close to
Usenettian. You will forget you have left Aioe while wading through the mass of lame insults and flames.
--
gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
I got my shot so I don't need to wear a mask, I have been around
people who have had Covid 1st strain and I never got it that I know
of, if I did it was mild, Even Fauci said cloth and paper masks dont
work, and many doctors say those type of masks dont work.
Incorrect. they DO work, they just aren't as effective as N95 masks. Fauci has never said "they don't work".
The goal of masks is to reduce the viral load transmitted from the carrier. A cloth mask may reduce that load coming to you by maybe 20% or so. It will reduce the viral load outgoing from a carrier by 50-75%. That's why it's so important that everyone wears a mask, because you can be a carrier for days before you experience symptoms, and in some cases a carrier may not experience symptoms at all, but still spread the virus by breathing and talking.
That's their choice, not mine, your's or the Governments, if they
get Covid they have over a 98% chance of survival.
and a 32.7% chance of having "Long Haul Covid" which can be debilitating for months and months. No one talks about this. Why does no one talk about this? Is it because the "you'll probably live!" line is just so much easier to deliver?
Like i said if something happens and they die, its all on them.
Honestly, what bothers me the most isn't this, it's: If something happens, they get covid, and continue going out spreading it to others that may be taking precautions, and THOSE people wind up getting sick and possibly dying.. well...
Honestly, what bothers me the most isn't this, it's: If something
happens, they get covid, and continue going out spreading it to
others that may be taking precautions, and THOSE people wind up
getting sick and possibly dying.. well...
That's what pisses me off the most.
Your like the children on the Jerry Springer Show.
Thanks for confirming you speak Usenettian.
I speak with clear logic and it shows that you you have to much brain
damage because your mother knocked you over the head with a frying pan to many times.
I speak with clear logic and it shows that you you have to much brain damage because your mother knocked you over the head with a frying pan to many time
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to Denn on Wed Sep 22 2021 08:52 am
My company had a no mask required policy for vaccinated people, that
all changed yesterday now we all have to wear a paper mask and it's
a safety rule that we wear eye protection as well.
I only wear a mask at work at this point.
The only places I'm forced to wear a mask is at medical facilities. I make
I forgot about the Medical facilities, I also wear a mask there as well.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Denn to plt on Mon Sep 20 2021 02:06 am
That's their choice, not mine, your's or the Governments, if they get Covid they have over a 98% chance of survival.
and a 32.7% chance of having "Long Haul Covid" which can be debilitating for months and months. No one talks about this. Why does no one talk about this? Is it because the "you'll probably live!" line is just so much easier to deliver?
DaiTengu
I remember hearing that only about 20% of the population get the the flu vaccine.
I have a feeling that number is going to go way down this year.
Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-
They believe themselves to be more intellegent but prove time after
time they're not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
Yes they're a stuborn bunch who want to block the theraputics that are working to help alieviate Covid symtoms.
Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-
I have not had the flu or a cold for two years now.
DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-
And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The posterboy for
the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that may not jive with what
he wants to believe.
The Lizard Master wrote to Tracker1 <=-
The flu vaccine is typically less than 50% effective... then again,
nobody ever tried to mandate people take it.
It also leads to better outcomes if you do get the flu post vaccine similar to what we are seeing with C19.
DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-
And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The posterboy for the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that may not jive with what he wants to believe.
Lefties always project.
In fact authorities are making a point about vaccinating peple who has already beaten COVID around a month after they kick it out, and highlighting the need it NOT be the J&J one because the J&J one gives you the same immunity the virus gives, unlike the others.
If that does not make sense to you, don't worry, because it does not for me either. Specially with the numbers that are rolling in according to which mRNA vaccines are an order of magnitude bellow disease granted immunity.
The goal of masks is to reduce the viral load transmitted from the
carrier. A cloth mask may reduce that load coming to you by maybe
20% or so. It will reduce the viral load outgoing from a carrier by
50-75%. That's why it's so important that everyone wears a mask,
because you can be a carrier for days before you experience
symptoms, and in some cases a carrier may not experience symptoms at
all, but still spread the virus by breathing and talking.
Fauci said paper and cloth masks would not keep out droplets.
I'm not telling people not to get the vax shot but for some Idiot to mandate and force people to get the shot is wrong, it's their choice, not yours, not mine and not Joe Bidens.
I got my shots in march 2021 that was my choice, If someone decides not to get the vax and gets "Long haul Covid" it was thir choice.
Even if you get the vaccine you can still get Covid, especially the Delta varient.
The more people that get Covid and recover along with those who get vaccinated the closer we get to heard imunity, It's idiot alarmists like you and plt I worry about.
well, there's nothing we can do except work at being healthier. We just aren't healthy anymore and that's our best defense against covid and future viruses and diseases.
there's nothing else you can do. you will get covid. and you will get variants. right now i think i might have concentration problems and i feel kinda shakey at night when i'm at work. there's nothing i can do about it except soldier on. ---
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to Tracker1 on Wed Sep 22 2021 08:57 am
I remember hearing that only about 20% of the population get the the flu vaccine.
I have a feeling that number is going to go way down this year.
I would suggest getting it. I have a friend in his early 30's who went on a vent. He had the unfortunate luck of getting the Flu and Covid at the same time. He survived thankfully.
---TLM
Yes they're a stuborn bunch who want to block the theraputics that are working to help alieviate Covid symtoms.
If the theraputics work, then
1) the not-vaccine is not necessary and all their promises of the not-vax "fixing" everything is proven false - painful for them.
2) the COVID fear evaporates, which means that the population becomes harder to control again.
Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-
I have not had the flu or a cold for two years now.
I haven't either. But my doctor has had me on high-dose Vitamin D for a while now (my blood pressure medicine makes me photo-sensitive, so I rarely get enough sunlight).
It's well known that Vitamin D helps your immune system and that "cold and flu" season is also known as "low Vitamin D" season - especially for the northern part of the U.S.
And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The posterboy
for the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that may not jive
with what he wants to believe.
Lefties always project.
The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a conspiracy!
Which is why I started taking it decades ago. My grandparents had me get a flu shot one year and I was one of the few in my college that didn't get sick that year.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Dr. What on Thu Sep 23 2021 10:16 am
And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The posterboy Da>> for the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that may not jive Da>> with what he wants to believe.
Lefties always project.
The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a conspiracy!
the china virus (Covid-19) is very political.
Yes the virus is real and can be deadly if you're Obese, Elderly or have comorbidities.
The goal of masks is to reduce the viral load transmitted from the
carrier. A cloth mask may reduce that load coming to you by maybe
20% or so. It will reduce the viral load outgoing from a carrier by
50-75%. That's why it's so important that everyone wears a mask,
because you can be a carrier for days before you experience
symptoms, and in some cases a carrier may not experience symptoms
at all, but still spread the virus by breathing and talking.
Fauci said paper and cloth masks would not keep out droplets.
It sounds like you've picked out a line from a statement that fits your narrative. Context is king.
I'm not telling people not to get the vax shot but for some Idiot to
mandate and force people to get the shot is wrong, it's their
choice, not yours, not mine and not Joe Bidens.
I got my shots in march 2021 that was my choice, If someone decides
not to get the vax and gets "Long haul Covid" it was thir choice.
Even if you get the vaccine you can still get Covid, especially the
Delta varient.
You have a much lower chance of getting it, if everyone around you is also vaccinated. That's how vaccines work. That's why there's vaccine mandates.
The more people that get Covid and recover along with those who get
vaccinated the closer we get to heard imunity, It's idiot alarmists
like you and plt I worry about.
I'm not an alarmist. I am a pessimist though.
I'm also a realist. You can keep living in your rose-colored bubble where no one you know gets sick or dies from COVID. Where none of your friends work in ICUs at hospitals, and you don't have to hear about them struggling to find space for people who are suffering from chest pains or other life-threatening issues due to the space being taken up by covid patients.
I remember hearing that only about 20% of the population get the the
flu vaccine.
I have a feeling that number is going to go way down this year.
I would suggest getting it. I have a friend in his early 30's who
went on a vent. He had the unfortunate luck of getting the Flu and
Covid at the same time. He survived thankfully.
how good is the vaccine against all these new variants, though.
why even get it if it's not fine tuned to whats out there now.
If the theraputics work, then
1) the not-vaccine is not necessary and all their promises of the
not-vax "fixing" everything is proven false - painful for them.
2) the COVID fear evaporates, which means that the population becomes
harder to control again.
before they said the covid would go away if we all would wear masks.
it's just illogical bullshit.
Now, I fear that they will try to sneak the not-vaccine in while telling us that it's the "flu" shot.
You have a much lower chance of getting it, if everyone around you is also vaccinated. That's how vaccines work. That's why there's vaccine mandates.
There are supreme court rulings that allow for vaccine mandates as far back as 1905.
DaiTengu
I'm also a realist. You can keep living in your rose-colored bubble where no one you know gets sick or dies from COVID. Where none of your friends work in ICUs at hospitals, and you don't have to hear about them struggling to find space for people who are suffering from chest pains or other life-threatening issues due to the space being taken up by covid patients.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 03:27 am
well, there's nothing we can do except work at being healthier. We just aren't healthy anymore and that's our best defense against covid and future viruses and diseases.
Yes and no. There are plenty of fully healthy people getting seriously sick and even dying at this point.
there's nothing else you can do. you will get covid. and you will get variants. right now i think i might have concentration problems and i feel kinda shakey at night when i'm at work. there's nothing i can do about it except soldier on. ---
Man, I thought I was a pessimist. That's like saying "Well, my computer stopped working, I'll just throw it out, there's nothing I can do"
If you're not good with computers, take your computer to someone who is. Or, in your case, go to a fucking doctor.
There are supreme court rulings that allow for vaccine mandates as far back 1905.
Which is why I started taking it decades ago. My grandparents had me
get a flu shot one year and I was one of the few in my college that
didn't get sick that year.
I got a flu shot in 1999 (December, I think), and immediately got very sick. Ironically, my employer at the time had paid for the flu shot and I ended up having to stay home from work due to being sick.
And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The
posterboy for the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that
may not jive with what he wants to believe.
Lefties always project.
The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a
conspiracy!
the china virus (Covid-19) is very political.
Yes the virus is real and can be deadly if you're Obese, Elderly or
have comorbidities.
People are dead at the age of 60 and they are not elders. Your point is?
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 12:13 pm
And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The
posterboy for the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that Da>>> may not jive with what he wants to believe.
Lefties always project.
The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a
conspiracy!
the china virus (Covid-19) is very political.
Yes the virus is real and can be deadly if you're Obese, Elderly or
have comorbidities.
People are dead at the age of 60 and they are not elders. Your point is?
Even a child can have comorbidities and die from covid.
your point was that covid is not political, it has become very political to the point where DemocRAT's are trying to use powers
they don't have constatutionaly.
If the DemocRAT's were really worried about covid why are they being caught time after time at large gathering having fun and
no
masks in sight?
truth is they're not worried.
LOL, Trump is a proponent of the shot. He's the guy who green-lit
all the liability shields, funding and emergency approvals.
He stalle when it first started saying something like "I am not
worried, it will o away". It's right on the news recording.
It's all overblown... should people get the poke? probably... should
they be forced to, or limited from social events, or have to take
endless boosters? Absolutely not. It's absolutely a money grab, and
unless the shield or limitations from liability are removed from the
govt and the pharma companies, nobody should be consider forcing anyone
to take it.
Yep always follow the money trail, Biden is pushing hard for a third shot, what kind of kick back does he get?
govt and the pharma companies, nobody should be consider forcing
anyone to take it.
How about private enterprise? Many companies are taking a stand with
this, it's not just govt and pharma.
I remember hearing that only about 20% of the population get the the flu vaccine.
I have a feeling that number is going to go way down this year.
I would suggest getting it. I have a friend in his early 30's who went on a vent. He had the unfortunate luck of getting the Flu and Covid at the same time. He survived thankfully.
---TLM
how good is the vaccine against all these new variants, though.
why even get it if it's not fine tuned to whats out there now.
I haven't either. But my doctor has had me on high-dose Vitamin D for a while now (my blood pressure medicine makes me photo-sensitive, so I rarely get enough sunlight).
It's well known that Vitamin D helps your immune system and that "cold and flu" season is also known as "low Vitamin D" season - especially for the northern part of the U.S.
last month when i had covid i went out of the porch and sat in a chair in the noon sun for about half an hour. i certainly felt something working there.
it felt like the uv light was soaking into my body and killing covid.
There are supreme court rulings that allow for vaccine mandates as far
back as 1905.
DaiTengu
this is covid 19. everything we try with it doesn't work. mostly because of our own human stupidity and travel.
if we would just ban travel for a period of time that would have stopped a lot of spread. masks werent cutting it. now the vaccines arent good enough.
Yep always follow the money trail, Biden is pushing hard for a third
shot, what kind of kick back does he get?
The third shot ("Booster") being considered would be one that got final approval from the FDA, not the earlier version sunder "emergency" provisions.
Even a child can have comorbidities and die from covid.
your point was that covid is not political, it has become very
political to the point where DemocRAT's are trying to use powers they
don't have constatutionaly. If the DemocRAT's were really worried
about covid why are they being caught time after time at large
gathering having fun and no masks in sight?
truth is they're not worried.
Your analysis is wrong, they are only trying to stop the spread of the virus and more people from dying. For Chiina, Rusia and North Korea continues to spread false information, abuse during human rights and other things.
It's wrong for people to task risk of getting other people infected with the virus.
Even I was hospital I still follow CDC guidelines that is why I never get the virus.
1. Get your shot
2. Keep your hands clean
3. Wear a mask when your acound people
4. Stay away from large crowd of people.
Yep always follow the money trail, Biden is pushing hard for a third
shot, what kind of kick back does he get?
The third shot ("Booster") being considered would be one that got final approval from the FDA, not the earlier version sunder "emergency" provisions.
On 9/21/2021 7:09 PM, plt wrote:
LOL, Trump is a proponent of the shot. He's the guy who green-lit
all the liability shields, funding and emergency approvals.
He stalle when it first started saying something like "I am not
worried, it will o away". It's right on the news recording.
Right... because nobody *EVER* changes their opinion when given more/new information.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 04:18 pm
Even a child can have comorbidities and die from covid.
your point was that covid is not political, it has become very
political to the point where DemocRAT's are trying to use powers they
don't have constatutionaly. If the DemocRAT's were really worried
about covid why are they being caught time after time at large
gathering having fun and no masks in sight?
truth is they're not worried.
Your analysis is wrong, they are only trying to stop the spread of the virus and more people from dying. For Chiina, Rusia
and
North Korea continues to spread false information, abuse during human rights and other things.
No, I am right the China Virus is political to a fault, and there are several lawsuits right now of Bidens unconstitutional
abuse
of power.
It's wrong for people to task risk of getting other people infected with the virus.
Even I was hospital I still follow CDC guidelines that is why I never get the virus.
1. Get your shot
People have the right to Decide if they get the China shot or not.
2. Keep your hands clean
Yes wash your hands often, this helps to some degree.
3. Wear a mask when your acound people
No, Obama dosen't wear a mask in large gatherins, Gavin Newsome dosent either, neither does London Breed mayor of San Fran
Cisco.
4. Stay away from large crowd of people.
Uhm no, Americans love colledge football, Baseball, Nascar et.... we will not bend the knee to the leftist elitist's.
people will keep shouting f*ck Joe Biden in arena's all across America.
Like I said before, if you have had covid you have antibodies far superior to the China shot.
If you had the China shot you're at least 80% protected 6 months after the shot.
at least I agree with point #2 of yours.
I speak with clear logic and it shows that you you have to much brain
damage because your mother knocked you over the head with a frying pan
to many times.
So just to reiterate: Things Fauci said in the order he said them.
...
Fauci said paper and cloth masks would not keep out droplets.
well, there's nothing we can do except work at being healthier. We
just aren't healthy anymore and that's our best defense against covid
and future viruses and diseases.
I have not had the flu or a cold for two years now.
I haven't either. But my doctor has had me on high-dose Vitamin D for a while
now (my blood pressure medicine makes me photo-sensitive, so I rarely get enough sunlight).
It's well known that Vitamin D helps your immune system and that "cold and flu"
season is also known as "low Vitamin D" season - especially for the northern part of the U.S.
The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a conspiracy!
You have a much lower chance of getting it, if everyone around you is
also vaccinated. That's how vaccines work. That's why there's vaccine mandates.
There are supreme court rulings that allow for vaccine mandates as far
back as 1905.
The paper masks we are forced to wear have very little protection
against the airborn particulates of covid.
this is covid 19. everything we try with it doesn't work. mostly
because of our own human stupidity and travel.
if we would just ban travel for a period of time that would have
stopped a lot of spread. masks werent cutting it. now the vaccines
arent good enough.
i got sick from a dude that was vaccinated. he thought it was fine to
go out to huge super spreader events. he got sicker than me.
Next time somebody disagrees with me, I am going to dig in History for the equivalent Roman law (since Spanish law drinks so much from Roman Law) and say:
"My position is right. there is jurisprudence dating as far back as 125 a.c."
The third shot ("Booster") being considered would be one that got
final approval from the FDA, not the earlier version sunder
"emergency" provisions.
I had heard that the 1st & 2nd doses of Pfizer and Moderna were the same. I thought a 3rd booster dose would also be the same as the first 2 doses..
He stalle when it first started saying something like "I am not
worried, it will o away". It's right on the news recording.
Right... because nobody *EVER* changes their opinion when given
more/new information.
Speaking the truth that some posted there option without looking up the true facts.
So just to reiterate: Things Fauci said in the order he said them.
...
Fauci said paper and cloth masks would not keep out droplets.
Fauci is an idiot/ass who was more concerned about protecting his connections and reputation than actually delivering an appropriate message.
Regarding any shutdowns, they should have centered around large social centers (stadiums, theaters, churches and bars) where people are close together for long periods of time.
I have not had the flu or a cold for two years now.
I haven't either. But my doctor has had me on high-dose Vitamin D for
a while now (my blood pressure medicine makes me photo-sensitive, so I
rarely get enough sunlight).
It's well known that Vitamin D helps your immune system and that "cold
and flu" season is also known as "low Vitamin D" season - especially
for the northern part of the U.S.
Just make sure to get a good fatty acid profile for better absorption... Eggs (esp yolks from pasture raised) are a good option.
The paper masks we are forced to wear have very little protection
against the airborn particulates of covid.
While I would rather take my risks... that's not quite true... the masks help, hell scarves and cloth masks help. Are they a perfect barrier solution, no... but they are effective enough to help.
That's where I think the early messaging was entirely crap. They should have just said, wear some kind of mask/covering when in public near
other people. It never needed to be a perfect solution, but the
flip-flop and inconsistencies were too bullshit. The lockdowns over the top. The politics around it all as "anything but what Trump says" was fucking bullshit.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Tracker1 on Thu Sep 23 2021 10:22 pm
He stalle when it first started saying something like "I am not
worried, it will o away". It's right on the news recording.
Right... because nobody *EVER* changes their opinion when given
more/new information.
Speaking the truth that some posted there option without looking up the true facts.
Actually allot of us here do our research, sounds to me like you just watch CNN and MSNBC all day, you really should try real
research and not the spoon fed pablem you've been dispensing here.
For instance in my state they just opened a monoclonal antibody treatment center like those in Florida, they would'nt do that
if
there wasn't something to it, it takes 3 to 4 hours total to get the monoclonal treatment, that includes 1 to 2 hours for them
to
make sure you don't have adverse reactions.
In most cases I've read people are feeling really good 24 to 48 hours after this treatment as they went in with full blown
most part. The reactions way over the top, especially in Australia and Canada.
The Lizard Master wrote to Dr. What <=-
I would suggest getting it. I have a friend in his early 30's who went on a vent. He had the unfortunate luck of getting the Flu and Covid at the same time. He survived thankfully.
plt wrote to Dr. What <=-
The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a
conspiracy!
Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-
I got a flu shot in 1999 (December, I think), and immediately got very sick. Ironically, my employer at the time had paid for the flu shot
and I ended up having to stay home from work due to being sick.
Denn wrote to DaiTengu <=-
2nd off the hospitals are not filling up, there is a
nursing medical professional shortage, they don't have the staff they
need so they're having a problem keeping up with hospitalizations.
Tracker1 wrote to plt <=-
You appear to be an ignorant, arrogant asshole who doesn't understand
that ad hominem attacks aren't a valid argument.
I think letting it run its' natural course as expediently as possible is still the best answer. Minimal lockdowns/mandates etc. It's been politicized to hell. In the end, the only concerns should have been to minimize overwhelming emergency resources. Everything in excess of that single goal was too much.
--
It's a good thing I guess that we eat allot of farm fresh eggs.
while they probably do help some indoors, I have seen people out walking the dog wearing a mask nobody near them, people riding bicycles, in a car by themselves, it just makes me laugh a little, they're paranoid like plt.
Speaking the truth that some posted there option without looking
up the true facts.
Actually allot of us here do our research, sounds to me like you just
watch CNN and MSNBC all day, you really should try real research and
not the spoon fed pablem you've been dispensing here. For instance in
my state they just opened a monoclonal antibody treatment center like
those in Florida, they would'nt do that if there wasn't something to
it, it takes 3 to 4 hours total to get the monoclonal treatment, that
includes 1 to 2 hours for them to make sure you don't have adverse
reactions. In most cases I've read people are feeling really good 24
to 48 hours after this treatment as they went in with full blown
You all continue to fail to post the facts, so its just giving out false information.
Whre you are you getting your information from The GOP?
2nd off the hospitals are not filling up, there is a
nursing medical professional shortage, they don't have the staff
they need so they're having a problem keeping up with
hospitalizations.
And this was caused by the GOVERNMENT'S response to COVID. The gov't shut down hospitals for "non-essential" stuff to prepare for a COVID "surge" that never happened and the prediction was proven to be a complete fabrication.
That causes a good deal of hospital staff to get laid off and many of them changed careers. Now you have the hospitals pushing the unnecessary, unscientific "vaccine" mandate - which is causing even more hospital staff to leave.
I think letting it run its' natural course as expediently as possible
is still the best answer. Minimal lockdowns/mandates etc. It's been
politicized to hell. In the end, the only concerns should have been
to minimize overwhelming emergency resources. Everything in excess of
that single goal was too much.
--
well we fucked that up. so it keeps popping up.
It's a good thing I guess that we eat allot of farm fresh eggs.
What is an allot of eggs?
while they probably do help some indoors, I have seen people out
walking the dog wearing a mask nobody near them, people riding
bicycles, in a car by themselves, it just makes me laugh a little,
they're paranoid like plt.
It's a bit silly to wear a mask alone in a car etc., but there have been times when I got back in my car and forgot I had a mask on for several minutes..
DaiTengu wrote to Denn <=-
Fauci said paper and cloth masks would not keep out droplets.
It sounds like you've picked out a line from a statement that fits
your narrative. Context is king.
DaiTengu wrote to Denn <=-
You have a much lower chance of getting it, if everyone around you is also vaccinated. That's how vaccines work. That's why there's vaccine mandates.
i got sick from a dude that was vaccinated. he thought it was fine to go out to huge super spreader events. he got sicker than me. ---
be real and accept that the only thing we can do is become more healthy. that's the key.
be healthy and have clean habits.
Yes and no. There are plenty of fully healthy people getting seriously
sick and even dying at this point.
well your definition of plenty isnt enough to be plenty.
being healthy is the best defense from having complications from covid-19. statistically.
There are supreme court rulings that allow for vaccine mandates as far
back 1905.
Next time somebody disagrees with me, I am going to dig in History for the equivalent Roman law (since Spanish law drinks so much from Roman Law) and say:
Whre you are you getting your information from The GOP?
I see you're just here playing on Mommies computer while she is at work. Did I nail it or what?
... Eat a bat and the whole world eats with you -covid-19
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Denn to Tracker1 on Fri Sep 24 2021 12:06 am
It's a good thing I guess that we eat allot of farm fresh eggs.
What is an allot of eggs?
Nightfox
What it *SHOULD* have been, is try to maintain an
appropriate distance (6') in public, avoid large
gatherings, wear a mask indoors around other people, even a
cloth mask (while not perfect, will help)
Regarding any shutdowns, they should have centered around
large social centers (stadiums, theaters, churches and
bars) where people are close together for long periods of
time.
If they'd done that, and just that, it would have gone much
better. The messaging was inconsistent, politicized
bullshit for the most part. The reactions way over the top,
especially in Australia and Canada.
I see you're just here playing on Mommies computer while she is at
work. Did I nail it or what?
... Eat a bat and the whole world eats with you -covid-19
Talk like a adult and not like a f*cking child.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Fri Sep 24 2021 05:37 pm
I see you're just here playing on Mommies computer while she is at
work. Did I nail it or what?
... Eat a bat and the whole world eats with you -covid-19
Talk like a adult and not like a f*cking child.
So is english your 2nd or 3rd language?
That's a great metaphor for the spread of a virus, the ability for vaccines to slow down the spread and to lighten the load on the health care systems around the world.
i got sick from a dude that was vaccinated. he thought it was fine to go out to huge super spreader events. he got sicker than me. ---
Ah, yes, your giant sample size of ... 2, is it? means it's how it works for everyone.
A few days ago I posted a whole bunch of :words: about how the virus is transmitted, why masks work, why social distancing works and why vaccines work. It can also explain why breakthrough cases happen.
DaiTengu
healthy. that's the key.
be healthy and have clean habits.
I'm all for that, but it's simply not realistic for most people. Shit food is cheap.
being healthy is the best defense from having complications from covid-19. statistically.
Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defense against having serious complications from Covid-19.
Some people I know who is hardcore into muscle building has a massive breakfast of bread and eggs.
So is english your 2nd or 3rd language?
Why do not you try and stop jacking off with you self and get a real life.
yeah it was bullshit too. just like all the other :science: you post.
if i want to hear BS, i'll turn on CNN.
i'm not saying eat organic foods. i'm on a good diet and i'm barely spending any money on food. i'm even buying meat.
it is entirely realistic. you ever take a family of 4 to mcdonalds? it's expensive. same as any other place.
in some cases buying prepared food will be cheaper than purchasing ingredients and putting it together yourself. you can still eat something different and come out ahead health wise and financially. ---
Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defense
against having serious complications from Covid-19.
wrong. vaccines dont work.
not really. you have to STOP the spread. not slow the spread.
1. Get your shot
People have the right to Decide if they get the China shot or not.
The leader of China, Russian and North Korea even Hilter.
Making a bad decision could be the individuals own fault if they get the virus.
The reactions to the virus are absolutely politicized, from early
warnings being dismissed as racist conspiracy theory (including the
origins being man-made) to the excessive lockdowns to the reactionary
panic, and anti-vax response.
while they probably do help some indoors, I have seen people out walking the dog wearing a mask nobody near them, people riding bicycles,
It's a bit silly to wear a mask alone in a car etc., but there have been times
hen I got back in my car and forgot I had a mask on for several minutes..
Vaccine mandates are constitutionaly allowed according to a 1905 ruling by the >US Supreme Court.
Every area in the US that has a high overall vaccine rate currently has a low hospitalization rate.
Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defense
against having serious complications from Covid-19.
wrong. vaccines dont work.
Every area in the US that has a high overall vaccine rate currently has a low hospitalization rate.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/23/covid-vaccination-hospita lizat ion-map/
MRO wrote to DaiTengu <=-
being healthy is the best defense from having complications from covid-19. statistically.
Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defense against having serious complications from Covid-19.
wrong. vaccines dont work.
See. therein lies the problem. It's not bullshit. It's facts. Backed up by years, decades and in some cases even a century or more of supporting evidence. But feel free to go back and pick it apart, show me where I'm wrong. I've shown in the past I'll admit to mistakes, and change my mind when someone can offer proof that what I've said is factually inaccurate. Here's an opportunity to set me straight.
I mean, when it comes down to it in order to lose weight (or maintain weight) you need to eat as many or fewer calories than you burn.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Sat Sep 25 2021 04:57 am
Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defensewrong. vaccines dont work.
Every area in the US that has a high overall vaccine rate currently has a low hospitalization rate.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/23/covid-vaccination-hospitali zat ion-map/
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Sep 25 2021 04:51 am
not really. you have to STOP the spread. not slow the spread.
I don't think it can be totally stopped. Like the flu, it mutates and other strains of the virus start to go around. Just like we've never stopped the spread of flu viruses, I don't think we'll totally stop covid from spreading. It's looking like we're going to be dealing with covid like the flu and dealing with different strains for a long time.
while they probably do help some indoors, I have seen people out walking the dog wearing a mask nobody near them, people riding bicycles,
Getting them dirty or wet supposedly lowers their effectiveness, which
would make wearing them in these situations seem counter productive for sure.
MRO wrote to DaiTengu <=-
being healthy is the best defense from having complications from covid-19. statistically.
Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defense against having serious complications from Covid-19.
wrong. vaccines dont work.
Vaccines do work. We have a great deal of evidence over the decades on that.
But the COVID "vaccine" isn't a vaccine.
Every area in the US that has a high overall vaccine rate currently
has a low hospitalization rate.
I'd tend to think vaccines generally work, but I've heard Israel has had a new surge in covid cases, despite having a fairly high vaccination rate.
Every area in the US that has a high overall vaccine rate currently
has a low hospitalization rate.
I'd tend to think vaccines generally work, but I've heard Israel
has had a new surge in covid cases, despite having a fairly high
vaccination rate.
Breakthrough cases happen. Especially with new mutations and whatnot. if that spike protien mutates enough, the antibodies built up by the vaccine won't be able to recognize it...
So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they keep saying >"Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could understand it.
Breakthrough cases happen. Especially with new mutations and whatnot. if that spike protien mutates enough, the antibodies built up by the vaccine won't be able to recognize it...
So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they keep
saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could
understand it.
On one of the news shows/channels the other day, a lady from the government suggested that the use of "breakthrough" was probably no longer appropriate due to the number of cases in vaccinated people that delta has caused.
DaiTengu wrote to Nightfox <=-
Breakthrough cases happen. Especially with new mutations and whatnot.
if that spike protien mutates enough, the antibodies built up by the vaccine won't be able to recognize it...
Denn wrote to DaiTengu <=-
So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they keep saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could
understand it.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Wed Sep 29 2021 04:53 pm
So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they keep
saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could
understand it.
On one of the news shows/channels the other day, a lady from the government suggested that the use of "breakthrough" was probably no longer appropriate due to the number of cases in vaccinated people that delta has caused.
I totally agree with her.
Dr. What wrote to Denn <=-
Denn wrote to DaiTengu <=-
So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they keep saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could
understand it.
One thing that the Left likes to do is wordsmith.
Sometimes they use terms incorrectly, changing the definition of those terms (ex: "vaccine").
Other times they use similar words to create impressions. Did you
notice that Lefties live in "houses" or "estates", but Conservatives
live in "compounds"?
So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they
keep saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could
understand it.
One thing that the Left likes to do is wordsmith.
Sometimes they use terms incorrectly, changing the definition of those terms (ex: "vaccine").
Other times they use similar words to create impressions. Did you notice that Lefties live in "houses" or "estates", but Conservatives live in "compounds"?
So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they
keep saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could >>>understand it.
On one of the news shows/channels the other day, a lady from the
government suggested that the use of "breakthrough" was probably
no longer appropriate due to the number of cases in vaccinated
people that delta has caused.
I totally agree with her.
it's crazy how people parrot the bullshit that is told to them in the media. we've never heard of breakthrough cases of any vaccine until now. NEVER.
But our natural immunity doesn't seem to have a problem dealing with the mutations.
Of course, if the COVID "vaccine" was actually a vaccine, it would handle the mutations as well.
Sometimes they use terms incorrectly, changing the definition of those terms (ex: "vaccine").
Other times they use similar words to create impressions. Did you notice that Lefties live in "houses" or "estates", but Conservatives live in "compounds"?
Thumper wrote to Dr. What <=-
They also like to claim all Conservatives live in Trailer Parks....
DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-
But our natural immunity doesn't seem to have a problem dealing with the mutations.
Er, it does. There are many, many, MANY examples of people who have
had COVID more than once. even before the vaccines came about.
Once again, you're ignoring the J&J vaccine, which is a traditional vaccine and reportedly not as effective as the mRNA ones.
Thumper wrote to Dr. What <=-
They also like to claim all Conservatives live in Trailer Parks....
I thought that's where they said the White Supremacists live.
But our natural immunity doesn't seem to have a problem dealing with
the mutations.
Er, it does. There are many, many, MANY examples of people who have
had COVID more than once. even before the vaccines came about.
And so.... You only prove my point.
There's an old saying: You don't need to parachute to go sky diving. You need a parachute to go sky diving AGAIN.
Since, as you claim, there are many examples of people who had COVID more than once, those people recovered. Natural Immunity wins again.
Or are you buying into the Propaganda that there's a magical substance that will cure a virus forever? It's never happened before. That's why they offer a flu shot every year.
Once again, you're ignoring the J&J vaccine, which is a traditional
vaccine and reportedly not as effective as the mRNA ones.
A "vaccine" that kills people in other ways is not a vaccine either.
They also like to claim all Conservatives live in Trailer Parks....
I thought that's where they said the White Supremacists live.
DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to DaiTengu on
Fri Oct 01 2021 08:25 am
But our natural immunity doesn't seem to have a problem dealing with
the mutations.
Er, it does. There are many, many, MANY examples of people who have
had COVID more than once. even before the vaccines came about.
And so.... You only prove my point.
There's an old saying: You don't need to parachute to go sky diving. You need a parachute to go sky diving AGAIN.
Since, as you claim, there are many examples of people who had COVID more than once, those people recovered. Natural Immunity wins again.
Or are you buying into the Propaganda that there's a magical substance that will cure a virus forever? It's never happened before. That's why they offer a flu shot every year.
Smallpox. Polio. Yellow fever, Rubella, Diptheria. all eradicated
from the USA thanks to vaccinations. Measles _WAS_ declared
eradicated, but a bunch of idiots went on a tear about vaccines being
"bad for you" and ... well...
here we are.
Hell, Smallpox has actually been eradicated from the planet, and Polio
is nearly there.
Once again, you're ignoring the J&J vaccine, which is a traditional
vaccine and reportedly not as effective as the mRNA ones.
A "vaccine" that kills people in other ways is not a vaccine either.
6 women got blood clots from the J&J vaccine, out of 7 million. Based
on numbers, you have a 2.4% chance of getting COVID-19, and a 0.05%
chance from dying from it.
Women have a 0.000086% chance of getting blood clots from the J&J
vaccine. The chances of a random person dying from covid are many
orders of magnitude higher than the chances of getting blood clots from
a vaccine.
The Smallpox vaccination had life-threatening reactions in 14-52 people per million. No one had a problem with it.
The Polio vaccination actually had a .0002% chance of GIVING You
paralytic polio. People were fine with it.
Not to mention all the people that have adverse reactions to any vaccination, which is far more common than any of the above instances.
So, what you're saying is that no vaccine ever developed is a
"vaccine", I guess?
effective in preventing someone contracting and transmitting the virus. Secondly, in order to have a chance at eliminating it, we need to know when people have it. But as many people seems to have this and are either asymptomatic, or have very mild symptoms, identifying those who have it is difficult.
This makes this disease difficult to eradicate. Also, it is likely to further mutate.
DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-
Smallpox. Polio. Yellow fever, Rubella, Diptheria. all eradicated
from the USA thanks to vaccinations. Measles _WAS_ declared
eradicated, but a bunch of idiots went on a tear about vaccines being
"bad for you" and ... well...
on numbers, you have a 2.4% chance of getting COVID-19, and a 0.05%
chance from dying from it.
also people think if they have the vaccine they are
bulletproof.
i have concentration problems now. i am doing dumb shit at
work that i would have never done before.
like stuff i'm programmed to do by muscle memory isnt
working anymore, so that's when i know something is up. -+-
i have concentration problems now. i am doing dumb shit at
work that i would have never done before.
I detect no communication changes from you. You're still
dishing out the same shit! :D
like stuff i'm programmed to do by muscle memory isnt
working anymore, so that's when i know something is up. -+-
Blame stress from thinking about what that covid-vacc-poison
might be doing to your brain.
Smallpox. Polio. Yellow fever, Rubella, Diptheria. all eradicated
from the USA thanks to vaccinations. Measles _WAS_ declared
eradicated, but a bunch of idiots went on a tear about vaccines
being "bad for you" and ... well...
All correct. And all of the above were long tested before they were recommended for everyone. So we knew the side effects (and worked to remove them) and knew how well they worked (and worked to make them better).
Where are the results from all the tests for the COVID not-vaccine?
Where are the studies showing all the side effects?
Where are the studies showing the long term results?
We have data showing that the not-vaccine doesn't work (as a vaccine).
We have data showing that the not-vaccine actually makes symptoms from the variants WORSE.
We have data showing a growing list of (usually really bad) side effects - specially in the young.
It made sense to give it to the high-risk people, since the risk of dying from COVID was about the risk of dying from the not-vaccine.
But there is absolutely no science showing that it will help the general public.
And then there's the Elephant-in-the-Room: Natural immunity - which the vast majority of the public already has - but the Left keeps ignoring it.
on numbers, you have a 2.4% chance of getting COVID-19, and a 0.05%
chance from dying from it.
I take a larger risk driving to work every day.
COVID simply isn't the problem the Propaganda Ministry - and shills for it like you - make it out to be.
My wife made our masks during the hieght of hysteria, we wore them out shopping
and such.
while they probably do help some indoors, I have seen people out walking the
dog wearing a mask nobody near them, people riding bicycles, in a car by themselves, it just makes me laugh a little, they're paranoid like plt.
it's good to be cautious but when you live your life scared to go outside that's a bit to Cautious.
Whre you are you getting your information from The GOP?You first... let me guess, the same resources that have failed time and
What it *SHOULD* have been, is try to maintain an
appropriate distance (6') in public, avoid large
gatherings, wear a mask indoors around other people, even a
cloth mask (while not perfect, will help)
Regarding any shutdowns, they should have centered around
large social centers (stadiums, theaters, churches and
bars) where people are close together for long periods of
time.
If they'd done that, and just that, it would have gone much
better. The messaging was inconsistent, politicized
bullshit for the most part. The reactions way over the top,
especially in Australia and Canada.
Right. Then, business could at least have been "as usual"
while avoiding bottle-neck lineups and crowded shops as soon as
lockdowns and stay-at-home orders were lifted, and.. many
businesses wouldn't have had to go out of business.
Anyone wearing a mask by themselves is an idiot, and you should probably avoid them.
Tracker1 wrote to Ogg <=-
Depends on the business... too many are and have been interdependent on on-demand shipments and limited inventory.
MRO wrote to Tracker1 <=-
Anyone wearing a mask by themselves is an idiot, and you should probably avoid them.
i wear it because i forget about it or i'm just 'dressed' to go
someplace else ---
That's the lean inventory system. Many companies have gone to that over time. No warehouses, no stock loss. A big retailer here in Michigan doesn't have warehouses. They just have cross dock facilities. Manufacturer trucks pull in on one end, and unload. The stock goes through the facility, gets split up and comes out the other end to a truck destined for a store.
The problem isn't lean inventory. It's offshoring of manufacturing, which
Tracker1 wrote to Ogg <=-
Depends on the business... too many are and have been interdependent on on-dem
shipments and limited inventory.
That's the lean inventory system. Many companies have gone to that over time. No
warehouses, no stock loss. A big retailer here in Michigan doesn't have warehouses
They just have cross dock facilities. Manufacturer trucks pull in on one end, and
unload. The stock goes through the facility, gets split up and comes out the other
end to a truck destined for a store.
The problem isn't lean inventory. It's offshoring of manufacturing, which many
companies did to save money because of 1) unions demanding professional level
compensation for still-less jobs and 2) the gov't raising the cost of maintaining a
employee (think unemployment, insurance, gov't regulations, etc.).
... If corn oil comes from corn, where does baby oil . . .
Arelor wrote to Dr. What <=-
There is a bunch of markets where such a thing does not work at all I
am afraid. If you don't have deep stocks you cannot absorb spikes of demand.
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