My BBS since I upgraded to 3.19 is failing to upload packets to vert, it downloads them fine though.
here is what I captured by doing a callout to server.

5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Discussion New: 0 of 117
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Sysops Only New: 0 of 165
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Programming (Baja) New: 0 of 93
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Programming (JavaScript) New: 0 of 99
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Programming (C/C++ and CVS) New: 0 of 140
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Data New: 0 of 681
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net DOVE-Net Sysops Only New: 0 of 101
5/15 12:08:28p QNET libarchive created C:\sbbs\data\VERT.REP from 3 files
5/15 12:08:28p QNET Call-out: VERT
5/15 12:08:29p QNET Sending REP Packet: C:\sbbs\data\VERT.REP (1.1KB)
5/15 12:08:30p QNET REP packet sent successfully
5/15 12:08:30p QNET Downloading QWK Packet: VERT.qwk
5/15 12:08:41p QNET Download of VERT.qwk failed: Error: RETR VERT.qwk failed: 550 No QWK packet created (no new messages)
5/15 12:08:41p QNET Done.
5/15 12:08:41p QNET Call-out to: VERT returned 0

any ideas what what I am missing?

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Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to All on Wed May 15 2024 11:14 am

My BBS since I upgraded to 3.19 is failing to upload packets to vert, it downloads them fine though.
here is what I captured by doing a callout to server.

5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Discussion
New: 0 of 117
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Sysops Only
New: 0 of 165
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Programming (Baja)
New: 0 of 93
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Programming (JavaScript) New: 0 of 99
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Programming (C/C++ and CVS) New: 0 of 140
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Data
New: 0 of 681
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net DOVE-Net Sysops Only
New: 0 of 101
5/15 12:08:28p QNET libarchive created C:\sbbs\data\VERT.REP from 3 files
5/15 12:08:28p QNET Call-out: VERT
5/15 12:08:29p QNET Sending REP Packet: C:\sbbs\data\VERT.REP (1.1KB)
5/15 12:08:30p QNET REP packet sent successfully
5/15 12:08:30p QNET Downloading QWK Packet: VERT.qwk
5/15 12:08:41p QNET Download of VERT.qwk failed: Error: RETR VERT.qwk failed: 550 No QWK packet created (no new messages)
5/15 12:08:41p QNET Done.
5/15 12:08:41p QNET Call-out to: VERT returned 0

any ideas what what I am missing?

It looks to me that you're not reading the log correctly.

It says right there that it uploaded a REPly packet to VERT (with 3 messages) successfully. The "error" you're seeing is just that there are no new DoveNet messages on VERT for your system. This happens once in a while when traffic is slow. On your next poll or two, you'll likely get some messages. I don't see a problem here.

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Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to All on Wed May 15 2024 11:14 am

My BBS since I upgraded to 3.19 is failing to upload packets to vert, it downloads them fine though.
here is what I captured by doing a callout to server.

5/15 12:08:29p QNET Sending REP Packet: C:\sbbs\data\VERT.REP (1.1KB) 5/15 12:08:30p QNET REP packet sent successfully 5/15 12:08:30p QNET

any ideas what what I am missing?

It says the packet was sent successfully.. I'm not seeing an error for uploading in these logs..?

There is this for downloading, but it looks like it's only because there are no new messages (which is normal):

Downloading QWK Packet: VERT.qwk 5/15 12:08:41p QNET Download of VERT.qwk failed: Error: RETR VERT.qwk failed: 550 No QWK packet created (no new messages)

Nightfox

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My BBS since I upgraded to 3.19 is failing to upload packets to vert, it downloads them fine though.
here is what I captured by doing a callout to server.

5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Discussion
New: 0 of 117
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Sysops Only
New: 0 of 165
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Programming (Baja)
New: 0 of 93
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Programming (JavaScript) New: 0 of 99
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Programming (C/C++ and CVS) New: 0 of 140
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Data
New: 0 of 681
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net DOVE-Net Sysops Only
New: 0 of 101
5/15 12:08:28p QNET libarchive created C:\sbbs\data\VERT.REP from 3 files
5/15 12:08:28p QNET Call-out: VERT
5/15 12:08:29p QNET Sending REP Packet: C:\sbbs\data\VERT.REP (1.1KB)
5/15 12:08:30p QNET REP packet sent successfully
5/15 12:08:30p QNET Downloading QWK Packet: VERT.qwk
5/15 12:08:41p QNET Download of VERT.qwk failed: Error: RETR VERT.qwk failed: 550 No QWK packet created (no new messages)
5/15 12:08:41p QNET Done.
5/15 12:08:41p QNET Call-out to: VERT returned 0

any ideas what what I am missing?

The problem is, I replied to a couple of messages on my BBS (the Ourwest BBS) they're not uploading to vert.
Been trying to figure this out for a few days.

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It downloads the packets, it's just not uploading packets where I reply from my BBS.
I'll look at it more when I get off work.

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Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to All on Wed May 15 2024 03:54 pm

The problem is, I replied to a couple of messages on my BBS (the Ourwest BBS) they're not uploading to vert.
Been trying to figure this out for a few days.

Where, exactly?

A poll ("Whats your favorite car?") was recently posted by Denn @ OUTWEST, in this very DOVE-Net conference.
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Yes, but now it's not posting my replies, I'll try again when i get home from work.

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Denn wrote to All <=-

My BBS since I upgraded to 3.19 is failing to upload packets to vert, it downloads them fine though.
here is what I captured by doing a callout to server.

5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Discussion
New: 0 of 117
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Sysops Only
New: 0 of 165
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Programming (Baja)
New: 0 of 93
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Programming (JavaScript) New: 0 of 99
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Programming (C/C++ and CVS) New: 0 of 140
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Data
New: 0 of 681
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net DOVE-Net Sysops Only
New: 0 of 101
5/15 12:08:28p QNET libarchive created C:\sbbs\data\VERT.REP from 3

files

5/15 12:08:28p QNET Call-out: VERT
5/15 12:08:29p QNET Sending REP Packet: C:\sbbs\data\VERT.REP (1.1KB)
5/15 12:08:30p QNET REP packet sent successfully
5/15 12:08:30p QNET Downloading QWK Packet: VERT.qwk
5/15 12:08:41p QNET Download of VERT.qwk failed: Error: RETR VERT.qwk failed: 550 No QWK packet created (no new messages)
5/15 12:08:41p QNET Done.
5/15 12:08:41p QNET Call-out to: VERT returned 0

any ideas what what I am missing?

The problem is, I replied to a couple of messages on my BBS (the
Ourwest BBS) they're not uploading to vert.
Been trying to figure this out for a few days.

Dude. Are you even reading the replies you're getting on this? Please
*LOOK* at the log above and *SEE* where it says it sent the reply packet successfully. Do you not see that??? That is YOUR BBS sending replies
back to VERT. What don't you understand here?



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Re: qwk packets
By: Digital Man to Denn on Wed May 15 2024 05:51 pm

The problem is, I replied to a couple of messages on my BBS (the Ourwest BBS) they're not uploading to vert.
Been trying to figure this out for a few days.

Where, exactly?
A poll ("Whats your favorite car?") was recently posted by Denn @ OUTWEST, in this very DOVE-Net conference.

here's something I found in my data folder.

VERT.qwk.663cb359.bad
VERT.qwk.663e04da.bad
VERT.qwk.6638bed7.bad
VERT.qwk.6641f975.bad
VERT.qwk.6645ec7a.bad
VERT.qwk.66434aee.bad
VERT.qwk.664499ca.bad
VERT.qwk.6645509a.bad
VERT.qwk.663a104c.bad
VERT.qwk.663b61e3.bad

Could this point to a possible solution?

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It downloads the packets, it's just not uploading packets where I reply from m
BBS.
I'll look at it more when I get off work.

Per your log snippit that you posted here, your BBS is uploading the
packets. It is possible that VERT is getting some error on that end when
it goes to unpack the REP packet and that is why you cannot see the
messages you uploaded.


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VERT.qwk.663cb359.bad
VERT.qwk.663e04da.bad
VERT.qwk.6638bed7.bad
VERT.qwk.6641f975.bad
VERT.qwk.6645ec7a.bad
VERT.qwk.66434aee.bad
VERT.qwk.664499ca.bad
VERT.qwk.6645509a.bad
VERT.qwk.663a104c.bad
VERT.qwk.663b61e3.bad

Not sure what this means? Could this be my problem?

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The rep packet may be being sent but it's not being processed.
Not sure if my rep packets are corrupt or what?
The fact is once sent it's not being processed by the hub.
Tried sending several replies at different times and it never makes it to the hub.

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Re: Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Gamgee on Thu May 16 2024 12:12 pm

The rep packet may be being sent but it's not being processed. Not sure if my rep packets are corrupt or what? The fact is once sent it's not being processed by the hub. Tried sending several replies at different times and it never makes it to the hub.

How do you know it's not being processed on the hub? Are you not seeing your messages posted there?

Nightfox

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Exactly, thats why I'm posting on vert.

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On Thu, 16 May 2024 14:48:04 -0700, you wrote:

VERT.qwk.663cb359.bad
VERT.qwk.663e04da.bad
VERT.qwk.6638bed7.bad
VERT.qwk.6641f975.bad
VERT.qwk.6645ec7a.bad
VERT.qwk.66434aee.bad
VERT.qwk.664499ca.bad
VERT.qwk.6645509a.bad
VERT.qwk.663a104c.bad
VERT.qwk.663b61e3.bad

Not sure what this means? Could this be my problem?

Here lies your problem.

You are sending your replies, they are being processed at the hub, we then see your replies when we pick up our packets, but when you pick up yours something is happening where you're not processing your downloaded packets.

Try searching your logs for one of those filenames, and see what is going on.

Or if you can't find any mention of any of them, you could rename one of those files (at a time, not all at once) to VERT.qwk and try processing it while watching your logs to see why it doesn't complete.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Nightfox on Thu May 16 2024 03:50 pm

Exactly, thats why I'm posting on vert.

It would help to quote the part of the message you're replying to, to help remember what you're replying to.

Nightfox

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VERT.qwk.663cb359.bad
VERT.qwk.663e04da.bad
VERT.qwk.6638bed7.bad
VERT.qwk.6641f975.bad
VERT.qwk.6645ec7a.bad
VERT.qwk.66434aee.bad
VERT.qwk.664499ca.bad
VERT.qwk.6645509a.bad
VERT.qwk.663a104c.bad
VERT.qwk.663b61e3.bad

That would indicate that your bbs had difficulty tossing the QWK packets to your BBS message areas after you downloaded them from VERT. You would have
to check your logs to see what issue(s) your system had with processing
them.

It would not indicate what the problem could be, if any, when it comes to
VERT processing your REP packets.


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Here lies your problem.

You are sending your replies, they are being processed at the hub, we then see
your replies when we pick up our packets, but when you pick up yours something
is happening where you're not processing your downloaded packets.

Most (all?) of the messages I am seeing from him appear to have been posted directly on VERT so I am not sure that us seeing his messages is a sign
that his REP packets are processing. I wasn't paying close attention at
first so I may have missed a few, though.


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Re: Re: qwk packets
By: Gamgee to Denn on Wed May 15 2024 08:54 pm

Denn wrote to All <=-

My BBS since I upgraded to 3.19 is failing to upload packets to vert,
it downloads them fine though.
here is what I captured by doing a callout to server.

5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Discussion
New: 0 of 117
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Sysops Only
New: 0 of 165
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Programming (Baja)
New: 0 of 93
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Programming
(JavaScript) New: 0 of 99
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Programming (C/C++
and CVS) New: 0 of 140
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net Synchronet Data
New: 0 of 681
5/15 12:08:28p QNET DOVE-Net DOVE-Net Sysops Only
New: 0 of 101
5/15 12:08:28p QNET libarchive created C:\sbbs\data\VERT.REP from 3

files

5/15 12:08:28p QNET Call-out: VERT
any ideas what what I am missing?

The problem is, I replied to a couple of messages on my BBS (the
Ourwest BBS) they're not uploading to vert.
Been trying to figure this out for a few days.

Dude. Are you even reading the replies you're getting on this? Please *LOOK* at the log above and *SEE* where it says it sent the reply packet successfully. Do you not see that??? That is YOUR BBS sending replies back to VERT. What don't you understand here?

his shit is just screwed up. i went on there just now and only polls make it over. any posts dont.
maybe he upgraded wrong or there's some type of corruption.

That's why it's important to backup. you just roll back and then figure out the problem that way.

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On Fri, 17 May 2024 14:58:00 -0500, you wrote:

Most (all?) of the messages I am seeing from him appear to have been posted
directly on VERT so I am not sure that us seeing his messages is a sign that his REP packets are processing. I wasn't paying close attention at first so I may have missed a few, though.

Fairly certain we saw his original messages from his system, too. It was only a couple. However, he hasn't seen any replies from anyone else on his system, because obviously his qwk packets aren't processing correctly.

Regards,
Nick

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On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:22:40 -0700, you wrote:

That's why it's important to backup. you just roll back and then figure out the problem that way.

Log files are made for this _exact_ reason.

He's been told to check them multiple times, and hasn't seemed to have done so yet.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: qwk packets
By: Accession to Dumas Walker on Fri May 17 2024 04:58 pm

Fairly certain we saw his original messages from his system, too. It was only a couple. However, he hasn't seen any replies from anyone else on his system, because obviously his qwk packets aren't processing correctly.

i tested it today. only his polls are going over. not the posts.
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Re: qwk packets
By: Accession to Jas Hud on Fri May 17 2024 05:02 pm

On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:22:40 -0700, you wrote:

That's why it's important to backup. you just roll back and then

figure
out the problem that way.

Log files are made for this _exact_ reason.

Yeah i would look at the logs first. I think this is a bit
of an odd occurance, though. I never saw anybody's stupid voting polls go over but not their msgs.

He's been told to check them multiple times, and hasn't seemed to have done so yet.

i'm pretty sure he did check the logs and that's what he posted.

Anyways, it's most likely an operator error.
i would roll back and update properly. This all started when he updated.

I've never had any issue with QWK or ftn other than the feeds having problems, i'm gonna say he made a mistake updating.

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Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Digital Man on Thu May 16 2024 08:21 am

here's something I found in my data folder.

VERT.qwk.663cb359.bad
VERT.qwk.663e04da.bad
VERT.qwk.6638bed7.bad
VERT.qwk.6641f975.bad
VERT.qwk.6645ec7a.bad
VERT.qwk.66434aee.bad
VERT.qwk.664499ca.bad
VERT.qwk.6645509a.bad
VERT.qwk.663a104c.bad
VERT.qwk.663b61e3.bad

Could this point to a possible solution?

A solution to your *posting* issue? No. QWK packets come *from* Vertrauen to your BBS. You can look through your logs for those filenames to find the reason why they were renamed to *.bad. Or just delete them. They have nothing to do with your posting problem.
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Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Dumas Walker on Thu May 16 2024 09:48 am

VERT.qwk.663cb359.bad
VERT.qwk.663e04da.bad
VERT.qwk.6638bed7.bad
VERT.qwk.6641f975.bad
VERT.qwk.6645ec7a.bad
VERT.qwk.66434aee.bad
VERT.qwk.664499ca.bad
VERT.qwk.6645509a.bad
VERT.qwk.663a104c.bad
VERT.qwk.663b61e3.bad

Not sure what this means? Could this be my problem?

Search your logs for those filenames. I already answerd this question.
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Re: Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Nightfox on Thu May 16 2024 03:50 pm

Exactly, thats why I'm posting on vert.

Your BBS's QWKnet account (OUTWEST) had the 'P' (post) restriction here on Vertrauen. I don't remember why I had to add that (posting SPAM or dupes?) - but I just removed it and posts form your BBS should work again.
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Re: Re: qwk packets
By: Digital Man to Denn on Fri May 17 2024 04:53 pm

Re: Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Nightfox on Thu May 16 2024 03:50 pm

Exactly, thats why I'm posting on vert.

Your BBS's QWKnet account (OUTWEST) had the 'P' (post) restriction here on Vertrauen. I don't remember why I had to add that (posting SPAM or dupes?) - but I just removed it and posts form your BBS should work again.

AH HAH!
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On Fri, 17 May 2024 22:47:36 -0500, you wrote:

Log files are made for this _exact_ reason.

Yeah i would look at the logs first. I think this is a bit
of an odd occurance, though. I never saw anybody's stupid voting polls
go over but not their msgs.

As Nightfox mentioned, polls are done separately via postpoll.js. It has nothing to do with QWK/REP operations.

i'm pretty sure he did check the logs and that's what he posted.

All I saw him post was the bad QWK packets from his data directory. I haven't seen any logs posted yet. *shrug*

i'm gonna say he made a mistake updating.

We all know what happens when you assume.

Regards,
Nick

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On Fri, 17 May 2024 21:51:06 -0700, you wrote:

Search your logs for those filenames. I already answerd this question.

I tried this route. Apparently, it's a much better idea to rollback and re-upgrade and all that *before* checking the logs. :/

Regards,
Nick

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On Fri, 17 May 2024 21:53:14 -0700, you wrote:

Exactly, thats why I'm posting on vert.

Your BBS's QWKnet account (OUTWEST) had the 'P' (post) restriction here
on Vertrauen. I don't remember why I had to add that (posting SPAM or dupes?) - but I just removed it and posts form your BBS should work again.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Well, hopefully he didn't listen to MRO and go through the whole rollback process already. :D

Regards,
Nick

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Re: qwk packets
By: Accession to MRO on Fri May 17 2024 08:19 pm

Yeah i would look at the logs first. I think this is a bit
of an odd occurance, though. I never saw anybody's stupid voting polls go over but not their msgs.

As Nightfox mentioned, polls are done separately via postpoll.js. It has nothing to do with QWK/REP operations.

i dont like those polls so i disabled them long ago.
atleast now we know that if someone is blocked from posting they can still
do this shit and make annoying polls.

All I saw him post was the bad QWK packets from his data directory. I haven't seen any logs posted yet. *shrug*

i'm gonna say he made a mistake updating.

We all know what happens when you assume.

now we were all wrong.
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Re: qwk packets
By: Accession to Digital Man on Fri May 17 2024 08:21 pm

On Fri, 17 May 2024 21:51:06 -0700, you wrote:

Search your logs for those filenames. I already answerd this question.

I tried this route. Apparently, it's a much better idea to rollback and re-upgrade and all that *before* checking the logs. :/

well i would backup before making any changes ....so nobody would DIE.

so how did his logs help him in this case now that we know what
really happened?
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Re: qwk packets
By: Accession to Digital Man on Fri May 17 2024 08:22 pm

on Vertrauen. I don't remember why I had to add that (posting SPAM or dupes?) - but I just removed it and posts form your BBS should work again.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Well, hopefully he didn't listen to MRO and go through the whole rollback process already. :D

oh yeah those 2 minutes that it would take and all that heartache that would ensue! so stupid to trace back your steps when you make a change and then things don't work!

And then he'd have to spend another few minutes updating!

so hard! crisis averted!

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Re: qwk packets
By: MRO to Accession on Fri May 17 2024 10:38 pm

i dont like those polls so i disabled them long ago.
atleast now we know that if someone is blocked from posting they can still do this shit and make annoying polls.

That loop-hole is now closed. :-)
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Re: Re: qwk packets
By: Digital Man to Denn on Fri May 17 2024 04:53 pm

Re: Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Nightfox on Thu May 16 2024 03:50 pm

Exactly, thats why I'm posting on vert.

Your BBS's QWKnet account (OUTWEST) had the 'P' (post) restriction here on Vertrauen. I don't remember why I had to add that (posting SPAM or dupes?) - but I just removed it and posts form your BBS should work again.

Ahhhhh, that would explian it if thats the case.
I will post now and see if it works.

thanks.

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Re: qwk packets
By: Accession to Digital Man on Fri May 17 2024 08:21 pm

On Fri, 17 May 2024 21:51:06 -0700, you wrote:

Search your logs for those filenames. I already answerd this question.

I tried this route. Apparently, it's a much better idea to rollback and re-upgrade and all that *before* checking the logs. :/

Regards,
Nick

... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.

everyone keeps jumping to a false conclusion about log checking, I've checked the logs all along, nothing showed up.
And I never said I upgraded, I said I did a complete new fresh install.

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Re: Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Digital Man on Fri May 17 2024 10:28 pm

Re: Re: qwk packets
By: Digital Man to Denn on Fri May 17 2024 04:53 pm

Re: Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Nightfox on Thu May 16 2024 03:50 pm

Exactly, thats why I'm posting on vert.

Your BBS's QWKnet account (OUTWEST) had the 'P' (post) restriction here on Vertrauen. I don't remember why I had to add that (posting SPAM or dupes?) - but I just removed it and posts form your BBS should work again.

Ahhhhh, that would explian it if thats the case.
I will post now and see if it works.

thanks.

Thank you DM, It works.

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Re: qwk packets
By: MRO to Accession on Fri May 17 2024 10:38 pm

i dont like those polls so i disabled them long ago. atleast now we know that if someone is blocked from posting they can still do this shit and make annoying polls.

It looks like that was a bug and Digital Man made a fix for that. So it sounds like if a user/QWK account has that posting restriction, they should no longer be able to post polls either.

Nightfox

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Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Accession on Fri May 17 2024 10:40 pm

everyone keeps jumping to a false conclusion about log checking, I've checked the logs all along, nothing showed up.
And I never said I upgraded, I said I did a complete new fresh install.

i thought you said you noticed all this when you upgraded.
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Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Accession on Fri May 17 2024 22:40:51

everyone keeps jumping to a false conclusion about log checking, I've checked the logs all along, nothing showed up.

People *LOVE* jumping to conclusions about stuff.. human nature I presume..
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On Sat, 18 May 2024 03:38:54 -0500, you wrote:

i dont like those polls so i disabled them long ago.
atleast now we know that if someone is blocked from posting they can still do this shit and make annoying polls.

DM fixed it already, after he realized it.

now we were all wrong.

Yep. I was just trying to point out that if his BBS itself was working fine, REP packets were being sent to VERT (which we found out were not being allowed into the network), and QWK packets were not being processed, there was no need to 'rollback' his upgrade.

Obviously, his logs probably didn't tell him anything useful either, though. But at least the issue was taken care of, and a bug was fixed in the process.

Regards,
Nick

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On Sat, 18 May 2024 03:40:08 -0500, you wrote:

I tried this route. Apparently, it's a much better idea to rollback and
re-upgrade and all that *before* checking the logs. :/

well i would backup before making any changes ....so nobody would DIE.

so how did his logs help him in this case now that we know what
really happened?

Now that we know they wouldn't have helped at all, but then again, neither would rolling back or downgrading his entire BBS software (again, as I thought he mentioned already doing so once).

Regards,
Nick

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On Sat, 18 May 2024 03:41:38 -0500, you wrote:

oh yeah those 2 minutes that it would take and all that heartache that would ensue! so stupid to trace back your steps when you make a change and then things don't work!

And then he'd have to spend another few minutes updating!

so hard! crisis averted!

For some, it may not be as easy as you make it out to be.

Regards,
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Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Accession on Fri May 17 2024 22:40:51

People *LOVE* jumping to conclusions about stuff.. human nature I presume.. ---
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True, and some of them don't read or grasp exactly what I'm saying or showing when I cut and paste things, there are a few like you, Dumas and Nightfox that look at the situation and use constructive logic instead of judgmentalusm. I thank you for that.

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Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Accession on Fri May 17 2024 10:40 pm

i thought you said you noticed all this when you upgraded.
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I haven't been posting on Dove-net much, it may have been restricted for some time, I don't know if it was working or not before I switched to 3.19.

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On Sat, 18 May 2024 11:47:30 -0400, you wrote:

everyone keeps jumping to a false conclusion about log checking, I've
checked the logs all along, nothing showed up.

People *LOVE* jumping to conclusions about stuff.. human nature I presume..

Yet you seem to be doing the same right here.

Nobody was jumping to any conclusions. Everyone involved were giving ideas and trying to help figure out the problem. If that is jumping to conclusions, maybe we should just tell everyone that asks a question to RTFM or GTFO and see how that goesf?

Regards,
Nick

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On Sat, 18 May 2024 11:47:30 -0400, you wrote:

Yet you seem to be doing the same right here.

Nobody was jumping to any conclusions. Everyone involved were giving ideas and trying to help figure out the problem. If that is jumping to conclusions, maybe we should just tell everyone that asks a question to RTFM or GTFO and see how that goesf?

Regards,
Nick

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Go back and read some of the comments, some truley tried to help, other's were just there blathering.
When people are trying to look for solutions, if all some do is just criticise that's not helpful.

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Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to kk4qbn on Sat May 18 2024 06:21:34

True, and some of them don't read or grasp exactly what I'm saying or showing when I cut and paste things, there are a few like you, Dumas and Nightfox that look at the situation and use constructive logic instead of judgmentalusm. I thank you for that.

I used to be pretty bad about it myself, took awhile of back and forth stuff, and being on the recieving end of it too, that I finally realized If I had no real constructive information to offer, I would just bow out of the subject.

Seems everyone was trying to be helpful, it was a strange issue, and I really saw no information posted about the log files, but it was really hard to follow the thread anyway with so many different replies lol.. I'm glad it worked out for you. Take care.
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Re: qwk packets
By: Accession to kk4qbn on Sat May 18 2024 07:27:54

everyone keeps jumping to a false conclusion about log checking, I've
checked the logs all along, nothing showed up.

People *LOVE* jumping to conclusions about stuff.. human nature I
presume..

Yet you seem to be doing the same right here.

as far as I know, the last time I checked.. I am a person..

Thanks for letting me know.
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Re: qwk packets
By: Accession to MRO on Sat May 18 2024 06:59 am

now we were all wrong.

Yep. I was just trying to point out that if his BBS itself was working fine, REP packets were being sent to VERT (which we found out were not being allowed into the network), and QWK packets were not being processed, there was no need to 'rollback' his upgrade.

Obviously, his logs probably didn't tell him anything useful either, though. But at least the issue was taken care of, and a bug was fixed in the process.

What i always do is check the logs and visually observe what is going on.
Then in this case i would do it manually and observe.

Then i would put on a backup to where it was working, and then see if there's a change.

if nothing else works, i would contact the feed.

In this case his feed was cut. not sure if DM emailed him about the issue. Usually I contact people on dovenet when they have spammers but i've been real busy with working long hours.

Shit happens. having good backups are a great asset. I still have an irc bot that stops responding and I have no idea why and i restore with a backup and it works. Nothing makes sense about why it stops running some scripts.
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Re: qwk packets
By: Accession to MRO on Sat May 18 2024 07:01 am

Now that we know they wouldn't have helped at all, but then again, neither would rolling back or downgrading his entire BBS software (again, as I thought he mentioned already doing so once).

Regards,

yeah but it doesn't hurt. and it doesnt take long.
I thought he said it stopped working when he upgraded so i would think he upgraded incorrectly and this caused this weird shit to happen.

Backing up is something most sysops do not do.
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Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Accession on Sat May 18 2024 08:14 am

Go back and read some of the comments, some truley tried to help, other's were just there blathering.
When people are trying to look for solutions, if all some do is just criticise that's not helpful.

we can play the blame game all you want.

but i bet you aren't looking into why your feed was cut and seeing how to stop it from happening again, right? I bet that didn't cross your mind once.
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On Sat, 18 May 2024 13:14:06 -0600, you wrote:

Go back and read some of the comments, some truley tried to help,
other's were just there blathering.

When people are trying to look for solutions, if all some do is just criticise that's not helpful.

Please point out who was criticising? You were given a lot of options to check and see what was going on. *You didn't respond*. Any banter or arguments that I saw were never directed towards you.

However, you ignored and never responded to some of the people truly trying to help. *shrug*

Regards,
Nick

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On Sat, 18 May 2024 15:50:10 -0400, you wrote:

People *LOVE* jumping to conclusions about stuff.. human nature I
presume..

Yet you seem to be doing the same right here.

as far as I know, the last time I checked.. I am a person..

Thanks for letting me know.

Very nice of you to cut out the rest of the message that explained everything in detail.

But in all regards, your welcome.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: qwk packets
By: MRO to Accession on Sat May 18 2024 03:07 pm

Backing up is something most sysops do not do.

I'd be worried without a backup.. I wouldn't want to lose everything after putting all the work into it that I have.

Nightfox

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Re: qwk packets
By: Accession to kk4qbn on Sat May 18 2024 15:53:28

as far as I know, the last time I checked.. I am a person..

Thanks for letting me know.

Very nice of you to cut out the rest of the message that explained everything in detail.

Just doing what everyone else does on dovenet.. gettin my point across is all that matter right??
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Re: qwk packets
By: Accession to kk4qbn on Sat May 18 2024 07:27:54

On Sat, 18 May 2024 11:47:30 -0400, you wrote:

everyone keeps jumping to a false conclusion about log checking, I've
checked the logs all along, nothing showed up.

People *LOVE* jumping to conclusions about stuff.. human nature I
presume..

Yet you seem to be doing the same right here.

Thanks again, nice to know I am human, sorry for not quoting the message in its entireity, here you go.

Nobody was jumping to any conclusions. Everyone involved were giving ideas and trying to help figure out the problem. If that is jumping to conclusions, maybe we should just tell everyone that asks a question to RTFM or GTFO and see how that goesf?

Did "I" say anyone was jumping to conclusions? all I said was that was human nature, and there you go jumping to conclusions saying that I am jumping to conclusions.. lol if you would have actually quoted my WHOLE reply, I did state that it looked like everyone was being pretty helpful and there was nowhere that I could see where he posted his log files.. but you needed to prove a point, so.... um.. see how that goes??? lol...

So why did my reply get you so hot in the britches anyway?

nothing but a simple observation on human nature, as you can see is very true.. did'nt call out anyone or anything.. yet human nature comes rearing its head..
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Re: qwk packets
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat May 18 2024 16:04:32

Backing up is something most sysops do not do.

I'd be worried without a backup.. I wouldn't want to lose everything after putting all the work into it that I have.

I lost a lot of work I put into my system back in 2016 or so.. whats bad is I had it backed up, or so I thought. but the drive I had it backed up on failed also. Never again.. I now have it backed up on a proper backup device, and a secondary backup on a thumb drive.
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On Sat, 18 May 2024 20:05:52 -0500, you wrote:

What i always do is check the logs and visually observe what is going on. Then in this case i would do it manually and observe.

Yep, same.

Then i would put on a backup to where it was working, and then see if there's a change.

The backup for FTN would basically be the same settings, unless you personally changed something. I definitely wouldn't go that route first.

if nothing else works, i would contact the feed.

This would be my first step.

In this case his feed was cut. not sure if DM emailed him about the issue. Usually I contact people on dovenet when they have spammers but i've
been real busy with working long hours.

No worries. Everyone gets busy at times, that's why this is one of the best hobbies ever. You can disappear, and come back when you're ready.

Shit happens. having good backups are a great asset. I still have an irc bot that stops responding and I have no idea why and i restore with a backup and it works. Nothing makes sense about why it stops running
some scripts.

Honestly, I haven't had to restore anything from backup in well over 10 years. You really have to mess something up in order to go that route. That's how good Synchronet is.

[ SHAMELESS PLUG FOR YOU DM] :D

Regards,
Nick

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On Sat, 18 May 2024 20:09:52 -0500, you wrote:

we can play the blame game all you want.

but i bet you aren't looking into why your feed was cut and seeing how
to stop it from happening again, right? I bet that didn't cross your
mind once.

I would upvote this one, +1000, if I could. :)

Regards,
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On Sat, 18 May 2024 21:04:32 -0700, you wrote:

Backing up is something most sysops do not do.

I'd be worried without a backup.. I wouldn't want to lose everything
after putting all the work into it that I have.

While it might be a waste, this is exactly why I went with a RAID 1 setup. I had 8TB to play with, and definitely figured I wouldn't need half of that. :)

Regards,
Nick

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On Sat, 18 May 2024 23:21:06 -0400, you wrote:

Very nice of you to cut out the rest of the message that explained
everything in detail.

Just doing what everyone else does on dovenet.. gettin my point across
is all that matter right??

If that's how you want to play the game. So be it.

Regards,
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On Sat, 18 May 2024 23:32:08 -0400, you wrote:

Thanks again, nice to know I am human, sorry for not quoting the message
in its entireity, here you go.

Woah woah there buddy. Whatever you were trying to portray was split up in multiple messages. NOT the one I was replying to.

Nobody was jumping to any conclusions. Everyone involved were
giving ideas and trying to help figure out the problem. If that
is jumping to conclusions, maybe we should just tell everyone
that asks a question to RTFM or GTFO and see how that goes?

Did "I" say anyone was jumping to conclusions?

Yes. Yes you did.

All I said was that was human nature, and there you go jumping to conclusions saying that I am jumping to conclusions.. lol if you would
have actually quoted my WHOLE reply, I did state that it looked like everyone was being pretty helpful

Your WHOLE reply was this:

Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Accession on Fri May 17 2024 22:40:51

everyone keeps jumping to a false conclusion about log checking, I've checked the logs all along, nothing showed up.

People *LOVE* jumping to conclusions about stuff.. human nature I presume..
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That was all. Nothing else to that exact message you replied to. Don't sit here and say 5 of your total messages added up to a reply to that single message, please.

and there was nowhere that I could see where he posted his log files..

Wasn't in the same message, or reply. Sorry bud. When you write, quote and reply to context, please.

but you needed to prove a point, so.... um.. see how that goes??? lol...

I wasn't trying to prove anything. I was trying to help a fellow sysop, and you came in and said people *LOVE* jumping to conclusions.

So why did my reply get you so hot in the britches anyway?

Maybe if you saw it the way I did, you'd understand.

nothing but a simple observation on human nature, as you can see is very true.. did'nt call out anyone or anything.. yet human nature

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Re: qwk packets
By: Accession to kk4qbn on Sat May 18 2024 15:53:28

as far as I know, the last time I checked.. I am a person..

Thanks for letting me know.

Very nice of you to cut out the rest of the message that explained everything in detail.

Just doing what everyone else does on dovenet.. gettin my point
across is all that matter right??

"Everyone else"? I think not.



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Re: qwk packets
By: Accession to MRO on Sat May 18 2024 09:10 pm

Honestly, I haven't had to restore anything from backup in well over 10 years. You really have to mess something up in order to go that route. That's how good Synchronet is.

the only thing i had to restore was doorgames.
well my dedi provider did decide my harddrive failed and then yanked it without giving me a chance to access anything. luckily i had backups for that.

i'm still running all my stuff on ovh
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Re: qwk packets
By: Accession to kk4qbn on Sat May 18 2024 21:24:36

Thanks again, nice to know I am human, sorry for not quoting the message
in its entireity, here you go.

Woah woah there buddy. Whatever you were trying to portray was split up in multiple messages. NOT the one I was replying to.

My reply was multiple messages, the first message, once sentence, wasnt anything but a view on human nature, how that pissed you off, I don't know.

Nobody was jumping to any conclusions. Everyone involved were giving
ideas and trying to help figure out the problem. If that is jumping to
conclusions, maybe we should just tell everyone that asks a question to
RTFM or GTFO and see how that goes?

Did "I" say anyone was jumping to conclusions?

Yes. Yes you did.

No. No I did'nt.. "ITS HUMAN NATURE TO JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS" that is what I said. If for some reason that hit home with you as an insult than you must have a gulty consience.

This is so stupid.. I'm done with this thread. It's not hard to fish here.
just pop the boat in the lake and fish jump in the boat..
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Re: Re: qwk packets
By: Gamgee to kk4qbn on Sat May 18 2024 21:34:00

Just doing what everyone else does on dovenet.. gettin my point across is
all that matter right??

"Everyone else"? I think not.

No suprise getting a reply from you. It was written to bait you and of course it did.

Jump on in the boat fish, yall are just strengthening my claims about you.
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kk4qbn wrote to Gamgee <=-

Just doing what everyone else does on dovenet.. gettin my point across is
all that matter right??

"Everyone else"? I think not.

No suprise getting a reply from you. It was written to bait you
and of course it did.

Hahaha, once again you snip out some of the relevant context, to suit
your (trolling) agenda. Very petty, but thanks for publicly *admitting*
to being a troll. We won't have to argue about that any more.

Jump on in the boat fish, yall are just strengthening my claims
about you.

More trolling. Oh, and who is "yall"? You bore me, dimwit.


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kk4qbn wrote to Accession <=-

Nobody was jumping to any conclusions. Everyone involved were giving
ideas and trying to help figure out the problem. If that is jumping to
conclusions, maybe we should just tell everyone that asks a question to
RTFM or GTFO and see how that goes?

Did "I" say anyone was jumping to conclusions?

Yes. Yes you did.

No. No I did'nt.. "ITS HUMAN NATURE TO JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS" that
is what I said. If for some reason that hit home with you as an
insult than you must have a gulty consience.

This is so stupid.. I'm done with this thread. It's not hard to
fish here. just pop the boat in the lake and fish jump in the
boat..

Another public admission of trolling, even including the textbook
telltale "I'm done with..." quote. LOL. Go away, doofus.



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Re: qwk packets
By: MRO to Denn on Sat May 18 2024 03:09 pm

Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Accession on Sat May 18 2024 08:14 am

Go back and read some of the comments, some truley tried to help, other's were just there blathering.
When people are trying to look for solutions, if all some do is just criticise that's not helpful.

we can play the blame game all you want.

but i bet you aren't looking into why your feed was cut and seeing how to stop it from happening again, right? I bet that didn't cross your mind once.

Wrong.
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned this thread is over, problem was solved.
I won't be responding any further on this issue.
Thank you to all that helped in resolving this issue.

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Re: Re: qwk packets
By: Gamgee to kk4qbn on Sun May 19 2024 09:40:00

Just doing what everyone else does on dovenet.. gettin my point across
is all that matter right??

"Everyone else"? I think not.

No suprise getting a reply from you. It was written to bait you and of
course it did.

Hahaha, once again you snip out some of the relevant context, to suit your (trolling) agenda. Very petty, but thanks for publicly *admitting* to being a troll. We won't have to argue about that any more.

I cant quote no more that you sent to me in the message.. that is all you typed to me was "Everyone else> I think not." What relevevent content am I snipping out? Just like my original message of "Its human nature to jump to conclusions" I see nothing here that is pointing either YOU, or The other guy out, Unless you have a guilty consience about something. You two are the only ones replying about it. It had NOTHING to do with any particular person here until you two made it about yourselves. Which I can see with you, is not a rare event. The other guy, I dunno, afaik I've never had any negative history with him. and still don't with anyone..

I guess I don't know enough about human nature yet to know why people have to throw themselves into EVERYTHING that is going on. Yes, we all know these are PUBLIC messages, and ANYONE can reply, etc.. but That does'nt mean all messages that are written are about you or even need to have your intput..
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Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to MRO on Sun May 19 2024 10:18 am

but i bet you aren't looking into why your feed was cut and seeing how to stop it from happening again, right? I bet that didn't cross your mind once.

Wrong.
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned this thread is over, problem was solved.

so what was it, when did it happen and how did you solve the problem?
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Re: qwk packets
By: Accession to MRO on Sat May 18 2024 09:10 pm

Honestly, I haven't had to restore anything from backup in well over 10 years. You really have to mess something up in order to go that route. That's how good Synchronet is.

Synchronet is good, but there are other things that could go wrong. Your storage device could die, for various reasons. It would be good to have a backup just in case anything does happen..

Nightfox

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Re: qwk packets
By: MRO to Denn on Sun May 19 2024 02:14 pm

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned this thread is over, problem was solved.

so what was it, when did it happen and how did you solve the problem?

It looked like Digital Man had the posting restriction enabled for Denn's account, which prevented his account from posting messages on Dove-Net (though there was a bug that still allowed polls to be posted, and it looks like Digital Man fixed that).

Digital Man posted about that, and I thought you had seen it, because you replied to that message..

Nightfox

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Hello Nightfox,

On Mon, May 20 2024 03:39:06 +0000, you wrote:

Honestly, I haven't had to restore anything from backup in well over 10
years. You really have to mess something up in order to go that route.
That's how good Synchronet is.

Synchronet is good, but there are other things that could go wrong.
Your storage device could die, for various reasons. It would be good to have a backup just in case anything does happen..

I completely agree. That's why I have a RAID 1 setup on my server machine for exactly this reason.

I was just pointing out I haven't had to restore anything Synchronet related in quite some time (knock on wood).

Regards,
Nick

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Re: qwk packets
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun May 19 2024 03:48 pm

so what was it, when did it happen and how did you solve the problem?

It looked like Digital Man had the posting restriction enabled for Denn's account, which prevented his account from posting messages on Dove-Net (though there was a bug that still allowed polls to be posted, and it looks like Digital Man fixed that).

Digital Man posted about that, and I thought you had seen it, because you replied to that message..

yeah but denn doesn't know exactly why and how to prevent it from happening again. maybe a spammer was on his web or something
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Accession wrote to Nightfox <=-

While it might be a waste, this is exactly why I went with a RAID 1
setup. I had 8TB to play with, and definitely figured I wouldn't need
half of that. :)

My desktop for years was an old Dell Precision Workstation that came
with a PERC raid controller. Doubling my drives and running RAID 1 paid
off handsomely over ~10 years, I think I had 2 drive failures that
required just a shutdown and drive swap.

Getting a 10 year-old PERC controller running in Windows 10, now that
was a challenge...



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Re: qwk packets
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun May 19 2024 08:58 pm

yeah but denn doesn't know exactly why and how to prevent it from happening again. maybe a spammer was on his web or something

I don't recall the reason why. I usually (and likely did) send a netmail to the sysop of the offending system at the time. <shrug>
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In 2020 something weird happened with mail forwarding, heres a message Rob sent at that time.

There's something funky going on with email between our systems and its going bounce loops.

What is the purpose of the outwestbbs@gmail.com email address?

Do you know how/why my email server is trying to deliver SPAM to this address (and its being rejected by Google)?

Do you still need the relay (send) or MX (receive) mail services of Vertrauen? If yes, then we need to figure out what's going and resolve it.

It looks to me like the MX (receive) isn't the problem, but rather the relay/send. And you got something funky going on with your setup there.

Let me know. Thanks,
---------
Maybe something on those same lines now?
Anyway I completely shut down the mail server, I didn't really use that anyway.

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Hello poindexter,

On Mon, May 20 2024 18:51:00 +0000, you wrote:

While it might be a waste, this is exactly why I went with a RAID 1
setup. I had 8TB to play with, and definitely figured I wouldn't need
half of that. :)

My desktop for years was an old Dell Precision Workstation that came
with a PERC raid controller. Doubling my drives and running RAID 1 paid off handsomely over ~10 years, I think I had 2 drive failures that required just a shutdown and drive swap.

I haven't had any issues yet, but if I do hopefully I can say the same!

Getting a 10 year-old PERC controller running in Windows 10, now that
was a challenge...

Fairly certain my drives are hot-swappable, but it's been like 8 years since I studied up on this server box. It's been running so smoothly I don't want to mess with it. Thought about switching to Proxmox, but man.. I just have that feeling if I do anything it's going to start hating me. :)

Regards,
Nick

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Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Digital Man on Mon May 20 2024 04:58 pm

Maybe something on those same lines now?

Not that I've seen.
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Re: qwk packets
By: Digital Man to MRO on Mon May 20 2024 03:17 pm

Re: qwk packets
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun May 19 2024 08:58 pm

yeah but denn doesn't know exactly why and how to prevent it from happening again. maybe a spammer was on his web or something

I don't recall the reason why. I usually (and likely did) send a netmail to the sysop of the offending system at the time. <shrug>

Nope, the only email I got from you was logging into vert to reset my message pointers.
The other messages were from 2019 and 2020.

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Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Digital Man on Mon May 20 2024 10:35 pm

I don't recall the reason why. I usually (and likely did) send a

netmail
to the sysop of the offending system at the time. <shrug>

Nope, the only email I got from you was logging into vert to reset my message pointers.
The other messages were from 2019 and 2020.

i think it was because your system was either reposting old stuff or reposting stuff from another msg net onto dovenet. something like that.

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Re: qwk packets
By: Digital Man to Denn on Mon May 20 2024 07:03 pm

Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Digital Man on Mon May 20 2024 04:58 pm

Maybe something on those same lines now?

Not that I've seen.

OK, well not sure what happened.

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Re: qwk packets
By: Denn to Digital Man on Mon May 20 2024 10:35 pm

Re: qwk packets
By: Digital Man to MRO on Mon May 20 2024 03:17 pm

Re: qwk packets
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun May 19 2024 08:58 pm

yeah but denn doesn't know exactly why and how to prevent it from happening again. maybe a spammer was on his web or something

I don't recall the reason why. I usually (and likely did) send a netmail to the sysop of the offending system at the time. <shrug>

Nope, the only email I got from you was logging into vert to reset my message pointers.
The other messages were from 2019 and 2020.

Perhaps the netmail was in one of those *.qwk.*.bad files that you deleted. In the future, I'll be sure to post a message publicly in DOVE-Net Sysops before removing a node's posting privileges. Then there'll be a more readily discoverable record of the reasoning.
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Re: qwk packets
By: Digital Man to Denn on Tue May 21 2024 10:57 am

Perhaps the netmail was in one of those *.qwk.*.bad files that you deleted. In the future, I'll be sure to post a message publicly in DOVE-Net Sysops before removing a node's posting privileges. Then there'll be a more readily discoverable record of the reasoning.

usually you do that, but not always.
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Re: qwk packets
By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue May 21 2024 02:47 pm

Re: qwk packets
By: Digital Man to Denn on Tue May 21 2024 10:57 am

Perhaps the netmail was in one of those *.qwk.*.bad files that you deleted. In the future, I'll be sure to post a message publicly in DOVE-Net Sysops before removing a node's posting privileges. Then there'll be a more readily discoverable record of the reasoning.

usually you do that, but not always.

I so rarely cut posting privileges, there's not a standard "process" that I follow, but I definitely try to contact the sysop and ask them to remedy the situation first. If I get no response and the problem persists, then I send another notice and add the restriction. And usually I make a note on the user account too, which I did not do in this instance. And it's been a long time now, so I don't recall the "why" now. Oh well. I'll do better next time.
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Ok I appreciate that, thanks Rob.

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Re: qwk packets
By: Digital Man to Denn on Tue May 21 2024 10:57 am

Perhaps the netmail was in one of those *.qwk.*.bad files that you deleted. In the future, I'll be sure to post a message publicly in DOVE-Net Sysops before removing a node's posting privileges. Then there'll be a more readily

Good thing he backs up. he can go back and look at those files and see what happened.

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On 21 May 2024, MRO said the following...

Good thing he backs up. he can go back and look at those files and see what happened.

long ago before memes were memes, the irc "meme" was that if someone mentioned how they lost data, it was time for everyone in the channel to back up all their important data.

considering how much old software is dead and gone with no source, none of those f**kers listened lol

if i want to be a closed-source dickhead til the last moment and ensure my code is released after i'm dead, has anyone talked to a lawyer about how that would work?

for that matter, i sometimes wonder about how the larger bbs filebases should be left to someone.. if they're not already mirrored to archive.org i guess. every time i see a message with the general sentiment "log onto my bbs to get xxx" i cringe.. all those files might as well be dead and gone already.

sorry for hijacking your post MRO heh

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Re: Re: qwk packets
By: fusion to MRO on Wed May 22 2024 12:19 am

for that matter, i sometimes wonder about how the larger bbs filebases should be left to someone.. if they're not already mirrored to archive.org i guess. every time i see a message with the general sentiment "log onto my bbs to get xxx" i cringe.. all those files might as well be dead and gone already.

yeah that's an exodus of renegade bbs thing. logon to my bbs to get the latest version of renegade.

i've been a prolific downloader since the 90s. I had bbstorrents up for quite a long time and people downloaded everything (sometimes the same person downloaded everything multiple times). So when I die i'm pretty sure that stuff will be out there in some form. It is sad how things can be lost forever.

Regarding not backing up, i always think about Roland De Graaf of virtual advanced/vadv/vbbs. One of my bbs buddies was working with him and physically there when this happened: Roland kept all his source code on ONE computer. He never backed up to floppy or tape. One day that harddrive failed. In the presence of my bbs buddy Bryan Turner, Roland picked up the computer and smashed it on the floor in anger.

I'm pretty sure he would be about 60 years old if he's still alive. Apparently he was done with bbsing after this problem and having issues with is eyes.
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Re: Re: qwk packets
By: fusion to MRO on Wed May 22 2024 12:19 am

if i want to be a closed-source dickhead til the last moment and ensure my code is released after i'm dead, has anyone talked to a lawyer about how that would work?

There are dead-man switch sevices that can send emails when someone doesn't "check-in" after a while (presumed dead), which could send a decryption key to a public encrypted archive that contains the source/secrets. There's also "software escrow" services, but they're going to be a more expensive/elaborate solution.

for that matter, i sometimes wonder about how the larger bbs filebases should be left to someone.. if they're not already mirrored to archive.org i guess. every time i see a message with the general sentiment "log onto my bbs to get xxx" i cringe.. all those files might as well be dead and gone already.

Nothing's forever. Even archive.org could go down some day. Our best defense is replication, so if every BBS had "all the files", that'd be the best insurance that those files wouldn't go "dead and gone".
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Re: Re: qwk packets
By: Digital Man to fusion on Wed May 22 2024 11:43 am

Re: Re: qwk packets
By: fusion to MRO on Wed May 22 2024 12:19 am

if i want to be a closed-source dickhead til the last moment and ensure my code is released after i'm dead, has anyone talked to a lawyer about how that would work?

There are dead-man switch sevices that can send emails when someone doesn't "check-in" after a while (presumed dead), which could send a decryption key to a public encrypted archive that contains the source/secrets. There's also "software escrow" services, but they're going to be a more expensive/elaborate solution.

they could also give it to me and i'll leak it :D

Nothing's forever. Even archive.org could go down some day. Our best defense is replication, so if every BBS had "all the files", that'd be the best insurance that those files wouldn't go "dead and gone".

even then i wouldn't trust a bbses as a whole to hang onto old files.
over the years it's been websites and people who no longer run bbses where i've found the 'lost' stuff.
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