MRO wrote to All <=-
rip idiots on the titan submarine.
i wouldn't get on something like that in a million years.
a coworker who worked on a sub said they were probably choking on
their own piss and shit before they ran out of oxygen. ---
rip idiots on the titan submarine.
i wouldn't get on something like that in a million years.
a coworker who worked on a sub said they were probably choking on their own > ---
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Re: submarine
By: MRO to All on Thu Jun 22 2023 09:02 am
rip idiots on the titan submarine.
i wouldn't get on something like that in a million years.
a coworker who worked on a sub said they were probably choking on their own
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I have not been following the issue closely, but what I have been told is the sub collapsed under preassure. If true, I suspect they gor crushed quite quickly.
This incident has reminded me of the John Edwards Jone incident in the Nutty Cave. This guy got in for some spelunking and took the wrong turn. He managed to get stuck in a tunnel too tight for anything to pass through, much less a man. He spent 27 or 28 hours stuck in the tunnel upside down unable to move an inch and the rescue team could not do a thing. The guy died there and in fact is still there.
Dunno, maybe I am weird, but getting in such hostile claustrophobic places is the sort of thing miners do for a pay. It is not something I would do for a hobby.
MRO wrote to All <=-
rip idiots on the titan submarine.
i wouldn't get on something like that in a million years.
You couldn't afford to.
a coworker who worked on a sub said they were probably choking on
their own piss and shit before they ran out of oxygen. ---
They didn't run out of oxygen. They were crushed/splattered by a catastrophic implosion of the pressure hull, and likely never knew what happened. That event takes a small fraction of a second.
Weatherman wrote to Gamgee <=-
MRO wrote to All <=-
rip idiots on the titan submarine.
i wouldn't get on something like that in a million years.
You couldn't afford to.
a coworker who worked on a sub said they were probably choking on
their own piss and shit before they ran out of oxygen. ---
They didn't run out of oxygen. They were crushed/splattered by a catastrophic implosion of the pressure hull, and likely never knew what happened. That event takes a small fraction of a second.
They were literally dead before they knew it. The implosion
took about 2 milliseconds, it takes the human brain about 25
millisecond to recognize what happened....
Weatherman wrote to Gamgee <=-
They were literally dead before they knew it. The implosion took
about 2 milliseconds, it takes the human brain about 25 millisecond to recognize what happened....
That presumes that the implosion occured before they ran out of air. Or started eating each other, etc.
On one hand, I feel sorry for those people. That's not a good way to go since they would have been aware of their impending death for quite some time.
On the other hand, trusting your life to a Woke company is really, really stupid.
Weatherman wrote to Gamgee <=-
They were literally dead before they knew it. The implosion took about 2 milliseconds, it takes the human brain about 25 millisecond to recognize what happened....
That presumes that the implosion occured before they ran out of air. Or started eating each other, etc.
On one hand, I feel sorry for those people. That's not a good way to go since they would have been aware of their impending death for quite some time.
On the other hand, trusting your life to a Woke company is really, really stupid.
Weatherman wrote to Gamgee <=-
a coworker who worked on a sub said they were probably choking on their own piss and shit before they ran out of oxygen. ---
They didn't run out of oxygen. They were crushed/splattered by a catastrophic implosion of the pressure hull, and likely never knew what happened. That event takes a small fraction of a second.
They were literally dead before they knew it. The implosion
took about 2 milliseconds, it takes the human brain about 25 millisecond to recognize what happened....
Ummm, yeah, I think that's what I said there.
Dr. What wrote to Weatherman <=-
They were literally dead before they knew it. The implosion took
about 2 milliseconds, it takes the human brain about 25 millisecond to recognize what happened....
That presumes that the implosion occured before they ran out of
air. Or started eating each other, etc.
On one hand, I feel sorry for those people. That's not a good
way to go since they would have been aware of their impending
death for quite some time.
On the other hand, trusting your life to a Woke company is
really, really stupid.
According to the US Navy, they detected the sonar signatures of an implosion shortly after the time the submersible was put in the water, like an hour or
so. Highly doubtful the crew and passengers would have resorted to cannibalism in that amount of time.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
That presumes that the implosion occured before they ran out of air. Or started eating each other, etc.
would you eat a person if you didnt eat in 3 days?
On the other hand, trusting your life to a Woke company is really, really stupid.
i feel sorry we have to waste resources to retrieve their bullshit in
the ocean. ---
Weatherman wrote to Dr. What <=-
According to the US Navy, they detected the sonar signatures of an implosion shortly after the time the submersible was put in the water, like an hour or so. Highly doubtful the crew and passengers would have resorted to cannibalism in that amount of time.
Gamgee wrote to Dr. What <=-
On one hand, I feel sorry for those people. That's not a good
way to go since they would have been aware of their impending
death for quite some time.
Not necessarily. We don't know exactly what failed, or how. It could have been a complete surprise.
Well, leaving the politics out of it,
what is really, really stupid is
not adhering to established engineering practices, and not doing proper testing/certifications.
The CEO thought that was a waste of time and
money. Stupid, indeed.
On the other hand, trusting your life to a Woke company is really, really stupid.
i feel sorry we have to waste resources to retrieve their bullshit in thecea
i feel sorry we have to waste resources to retrieve their bullshit in the ocean. ---
We're in agreement there. We don't clean up the corpses from Mt. Everest. Why should we clean them up from the deep ocean?
Weatherman wrote to Dr. What <=-
According to the US Navy, they detected the sonar signatures of an implosion shortly after the time the submersible was put in the water, like an hour or so. Highly doubtful the crew and passengers would have resorted to cannibalism in that amount of time.
Are you from the same planet as MRO?
On the other hand, trusting your life to a Woke company is really, really stupid.
True, as is trusting any company who seems to shun safety as they did.
Dr. What wrote to Gamgee <=-
Gamgee wrote to Dr. What <=-
On one hand, I feel sorry for those people. That's not a good
way to go since they would have been aware of their impending
death for quite some time.
Not necessarily. We don't know exactly what failed, or how. It could have been a complete surprise.
I'm basing my assumption on the idea that the pilot knew that
they were done for early on when something broke. Also, since
the dive went **way** beyond the stated timeframe, I assume that
the passengers also knew (or at least felt that way).
Dr. What wrote to MRO <=-
i feel sorry we have to waste resources to retrieve their bullshit in
the ocean.
We're in agreement there. We don't clean up the corpses from Mt.
Everest. Why should we clean them up from the deep ocean?
Well, leaving the politics out of it, what is really, really stupid is
not adhering to established engineering practices, and not doing proper testing/certifications. The CEO thought that was a waste of time and money. Stupid, indeed.
Re: Re: submarine
By: Weatherman to Dr. What on Sat Jun 24 2023 02:19 pm
According to the US Navy, they detected the sonar signatures of an implos shortly after the time the submersible was put in the water, like an hour
and the implosion was so powerful it took out the transponder which had it's
so. Highly doubtful the crew and passengers would have resorted to cannibalism in that amount of time.
one can only hope.
so. Highly doubtful the crew and passengers would have resorted to cannibalism in that amount of time.
one can only hope.
People can go days without water. Weeks without food. They would've ran out of breathable air before resorting to cannibalism.
Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
On the other hand, trusting your life to a Woke company is really, really stupid.
True, as is trusting any company who seems to shun safety as they did.
Gamgee wrote to Dr. What <=-
I don't think you have all the information, or are not understanding
it. The sounds of the implosion happend about 1 hour and 45 minutes
after submerging. They were dead a few milliseconds later. The dive
did NOT go way beyond the stated timeframe, it lasted only 1:45 and was effectively over. I doubt any of them knew it was coming at all.
i feel sorry we have to waste resources to retrieve their bullshit in thecea
Some of it made it to the ocean floor where it is pretty deep. I am wondering if they will even try to retrieve it or if it will just be left there as another grave site.
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Apparently the sub made three other dives to the titanic
before, and a few similar deep dives in the Bahamas. And it
spent "test" time in laboratory test chambers. But meanwhile,
it went thru "modifications" as well. The real questions are
at what points during that time were "concerns" ignored.
New York writer Mike Reiss was a four-time passenger on the OceanGateubmersib
e that was reported missing on its route to view the Titanic wreckage. Heecou
ted the vessel encountered the same error every single time-lostommunication.
"We knew it was there, but our compass was acting up, and we didn't know inha
direction it was."
It took them about three hours to locate the site."
I am gonna burn in Hell for this, but there it goes:isi
Why retrieve the Titan when there are so many business oportunities?
"Get a ticket to vist the Titanic Wreck, and for a 20% supplement you can
he Titan Wreck too!"
i feel sorry we have to waste resources to retrieve their bullshit in the ocean.
We're in agreement there. We don't clean up the corpses from Mt. Everest. Why should we clean them up from the deep ocean?
There aren't any corpses to clean up. They are crushed and/or
vaporized, and effectively gone.
I don't think you have all the information, or are not understanding
it. The sounds of the implosion happend about 1 hour and 45 minutes after submerging. They were dead a few milliseconds later. The dive did NOT go way beyond the stated timeframe, it lasted only 1:45 and was effectively over. I doubt any of them knew it was coming at all.
Interesting. All the articles that I've read made it sound like they were down much longer than expected.
Dr. What wrote to Gamgee <=-
I don't think you have all the information, or are not understanding
it. The sounds of the implosion happend about 1 hour and 45 minutes
after submerging. They were dead a few milliseconds later. The dive
did NOT go way beyond the stated timeframe, it lasted only 1:45 and was effectively over. I doubt any of them knew it was coming at all.
Interesting. All the articles that I've read made it sound like
they were down much longer than expected.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
i feel sorry we have to waste resources to retrieve their bullshit in the ocean.
We're in agreement there. We don't clean up the corpses from Mt. Everest. Why should we clean them up from the deep ocean?
There aren't any corpses to clean up. They are crushed and/or
vaporized, and effectively gone.
But there are missions to retreive something related to the dive
from the ocean. I figure it is small parts of the ship. I think
they are probably not going to tell us much that we don't already
know so they should just leave it there.
Then again, they probably need something to show someone so
someone else can get sued.
Re: Re: submarine
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Jun 25 2023 03:02 pm
so. Highly doubtful the crew and passengers would have resorted to cannibalism in that amount of time.
one can only hope.
People can go days without water. Weeks without food. They would've ran out of breathable air before resorting to cannibalism.
what if it's one of those fat guys who thinks he's only fat because he has a
Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
For whatever reason... either they didn't want to reveal it or maybe
they were not sure... they did indeed make it sound like they were down much longer than expected. The information that the implosion was
picked up on monitoring devices after a very short time was only made public more recently.
Dumas Walker wrote to ARELOR <=-
"And eventually you can visit the wreckage of this ship, too!!!"
what if it's one of those fat guys who thinks he's only fat because he has a
The guy would run out of endurance before defeating someone more fit than him. Besides, the fat person has more fat to burn. his body will feast
on it's own fat. Each pound will be the equivalent to a 4000 calorie meal.
Dumas Walker wrote to ARELOR <=-
"And eventually you can visit the wreckage of this ship, too!!!"
Ha! Good one.
I might have to take that trip. But I'll put my trust in an old white dude who used to be in the Navy to take me there.
For whatever reason... either they didn't want to reveal it or maybe they were not sure... they did indeed make it sound like they were down much longer than expected. The information that the implosion was picked up on monitoring devices after a very short time was only made public more recently.
This is a good example of how the news is reported impacts how people understand what happened.
Some of it made it to the ocean floor where it is pretty deep. I am wondering if they will even try to retrieve it or if it will just be left there as another grave site.
what if it's one of those fat guys who thinks he's only fat because he has a high metabolism? then he starts looking at the other passengers like they are a plucked turkey like in a woody woodpecker cartoon.
would you eat a person if you didnt eat in 3 days?
what if it's one of those fat guys who thinks he's only fat because he has a high metabolism? then he starts looking at the other passengers like they are a plucked turkey like in a woody woodpecker cartoon.
The guy would run out of endurance before defeating someone more fit than him. Besides, the fat person has more fat to burn. his body will feast
on it's own fat. Each pound will be the equivalent to a 4000 calorie meal.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
somehow it became unsound.
Re: Re: submarine
By: MRO to Dr. What on Sat Jun 24 2023 09:38:49
would you eat a person if you didnt eat in 3 days?
Most people can go 2-5 weeks without food. And for that matter, most hunger pains subside after about 2-3 days without any caloric intake.
Re: Re: submarine
By: MRO to Moondog on Mon Jun 26 2023 03:12:31
what if it's one of those fat guys who thinks he's only fat because he has a high metabolism? then he starts looking at the other passengers like they are a plucked turkey like in a woody woodpecker cartoon.
Most obese people have a comparatively low metabolism for their size. The fat guy has also, likely gone through a number of really restrictive diets and least likely to resort to cannibalism. My bet would be on the socker mom that has two venti coffees from starbucks before noon.
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minerals and electrolyte supplements) for about as long as there's fat to use. I know a couple people that have done 6-9 months (hundreds of pounds lost), and iirc the longest recorded human fast was just over a year.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
somehow it became unsound.
The "unsound" is the implosion that the Navy heard.
MRO wrote to Tracker1 <=-
would you eat a person if you didnt eat in 3 days?
Most people can go 2-5 weeks without food. And for that matter, most hunger pains subside after about 2-3 days without any caloric intake.
i cant go 2 hrs without food.
Gamgee wrote to Dr. What <=-
Well, leaving the politics out of it, what is really, really stupid is
not adhering to established engineering practices, and not doing proper testing/certifications. The CEO thought that was a waste of time and money. Stupid, indeed.
Dr. What wrote to MRO <=-
We're in agreement there. We don't clean up the corpses from Mt.
Everest. Why should we clean them up from the deep ocean?
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-
Well, leaving the politics out of it, what is really, really stupid is
not adhering to established engineering practices, and not doing proper testing/certifications. The CEO thought that was a waste of time and money. Stupid, indeed.
There are times when a visionary can disrupt the status quo of an incumbent industry. This was NOT one of those times.
Absolutely right on both statements. Those occasions when that kind of thinking is actually good are *VERY* infrequent in the space and
deep-sea exploration industries, especially. There simply is no room
for error due to the completely unforgiving nature of the working environments for both.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
Absolutely right on both statements. Those occasions when that kind of thinking is actually good are *VERY* infrequent in the space and
deep-sea exploration industries, especially. There simply is no room
for error due to the completely unforgiving nature of the working environments for both.
I would argue that it has been good for *unmanned* space
exploration. They have been able to decrease the size and weight
of satellites and landers over the years, for example, by
thinking a little outside the box.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-
We're in agreement there. We don't clean up the corpses from Mt.
Everest. Why should we clean them up from the deep ocean?
Maybe some entrepreneur will design a sub and arrange an expedition to
the remains of the first entrepreneur's expedition?
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-
There are times when a visionary can disrupt the status quo of an incumbent industry. This was NOT one of those times.
Maybe some entrepreneur will design a sub and arrange an expedition to
the remains of the first entrepreneur's expedition?
When we take the ferry to Mackinac Island, they have some times where they t the boat under the Mackinac Bridge.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-
We're in agreement there. We don't clean up the corpses from Mt. Everest. Why should we clean them up from the deep ocean?
Maybe some entrepreneur will design a sub and arrange an expedition to the remains of the first entrepreneur's expedition?
When we take the ferry to Mackinac Island, they have some times where they t the boat under the Mackinac Bridge.
So it would be like that. "We see the Titanic every Saturday, but on the fi Saturday of the month, we stop by the other sub."
... If you want her to show emotion, cut up her credit cards.
Most people can go 2-5 weeks without food. And for that matter, most
hunger pains subside after about 2-3 days without any caloric intake.
i cant go 2 hrs without food.
minerals and electrolyte supplements) for about as long as there's fat
to use. I know a couple people that have done 6-9 months (hundreds of
pounds lost), and iirc the longest recorded human fast was just over a
year.
that's got to be horrible on the body though.
i could imagine them dropping dead in a short time after doing that.
minerals and electrolyte supplements) for about as long as there's fat
to use. I know a couple people that have done 6-9 months (hundreds of
pounds lost), and iirc the longest recorded human fast was just over a
year.
that's got to be horrible on the body though.
i could imagine them dropping dead in a short time after doing that.
Re: Re: submarine
By: MRO to Tracker1 on Wed Jun 28 2023 09:45:44
Most people can go 2-5 weeks without food. And for that matter, most
hunger pains subside after about 2-3 days without any caloric intake.
i cant go 2 hrs without food.
You'd be surprised... if you're seriously having trouble with not eating every few hours, would start by cutting soda and snacks, drink all the water
I haven't made a trip up to Mackinac Island yet. A cousin visited the Grand Hotel and got to see where they filmed Somewhere in Time.
When we take the ferry to Mackinac Island, they have some times where theyak
the boat under the Mackinac Bridge.irs
So it would be like that. "We see the Titanic every Saturday, but on the
Saturday of the month, we stop by the other sub."
Re: Re: submarine
By: MRO to Tracker1 on Wed Jun 28 2023 09:45:44
Most people can go 2-5 weeks without food. And for that matter, most
hunger pains subside after about 2-3 days without any caloric intake.
i cant go 2 hrs without food.
You'd be surprised... if you're seriously having trouble with not eating eve t least half the volume and 2/3 of the calories from the first meal to meat
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Re: Re: submarine
By: MRO to Tracker1 on Wed Jun 28 2023 09:48:29
minerals and electrolyte supplements) for about as long as there's fat
to use. I know a couple people that have done 6-9 months (hundreds of
pounds lost), and iirc the longest recorded human fast was just over a
year.
that's got to be horrible on the body though.
i could imagine them dropping dead in a short time after doing that.
No, it actually lengthens life, generally speaking. Most people would live
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On 04 Jul 2023, Moondog said the following...
I haven't made a trip up to Mackinac Island yet. A cousin visited the Grand Hotel and got to see where they filmed Somewhere in Time.
my dad and uncle both worked at the grand hotel as teenagers in the summer, rted early lol. definitely different times
we go to drummond island instead further north but now that's starting to fe
He didn't stick with the program, though. He did it out of sympathy for his wife, who was actually the one trying it out. He was doing it out of support for her. She quit because she had only lost 5 or so pounds. I heard the program was less effective for women, and the bigger you were, the easier it was to lose weight.
Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
The one difference I see is that the bridge is an engineering marvel, while the sub certainly was not. ;)
Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
The one difference I see is that the bridge is an engineering marvel, while the sub certainly was not. ;)
I will point out that people wanting to see the Titanic aren't interested in seeing successes anyway. ;)
Re: Re: submarine
By: Moondog to Tracker1 on Wed Jul 05 2023 09:42 am
He didn't stick with the program, though. He did it out of sympathy for wife, who was actually the one trying it out. He was doing it out of supp for her. She quit because she had only lost 5 or so pounds. I heard the program was less effective for women, and the bigger you were, the easier was to lose weight.
she was probably cheating.
looks like nutrisystem is real expensive and has lots of processed foods. and they are bringing back jenny craig.
The one difference I see is that the bridge is an engineering marvel, while the sub certainly was not. ;)
I will point out that people wanting to see the Titanic aren't interested in seeing successes anyway. ;)
The one difference I see is that the bridge is an engineering marvel, while the sub certainly was not. ;)
I will point out that people wanting to see the Titanic aren't interested seeing successes anyway. ;)
Yeah, I would rather see the bridge (again). :) There are plenty of shipwrecks one can see near the shores off the shores of Michigan, too.
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During WWII two ships were converted into carrier decks for pilots trainingt
Great Lakes NAS to practice carrier landings and takeoffs. Pilots whoanded
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I have a friend that tried Nutri-system and he lost 20 pounds in the trial per iod. Part of it was switching from 3 larger meals to 6 smaller snacking type meals a day. As mentioned, I think part of it working was keeping away the hunger by spreading out the intake of food.
He didn't stick with the program, though. He did it out of sympathy for his wife, who was actually the one trying it out. He was doing it out of support for her. She quit because she had only lost 5 or so pounds. I heard the program was less effective for women, and the bigger you were, the easier it was to lose weight.
No, it actually lengthens life, generally speaking. Most people would
live
My concern is maintaining metabolism. Fasting or skipping meals may confuse the body's energy consumption/ energy savings modes. It may be worse if you have low metabolism.
respond. This is where you start seeing "pre-diabetic" levels of glucose (long after the damage is already started).... which is why people should get a baseline glucose test every year, not just an A1C (which only starts showing after the damage is started, often after a decade or more).
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